Fair enough. But that still gives you no right to insult her. Perhaps if you had said 'my parent said the following...' about her parenting skills? I'm sure she would take their comments into consideration well before she ever listened to you.
I don't mean to insult you Matt, but you are young. Using such a comment in a derogatory fashion was out of line and that's what I'm referring to.
Originally posted by Syren
I thought you'd turned 16 recently... my mistake. Not that it's even relevant, are you younger than 16? Makes it even worse IMO.I don't need to know exactly what you're referring to, I still think that you were out of line in questioning whether her children exist. So what if she parents her children in a way you don't agree with. You're not a parent, you have no room to judge.
Hmm most people might think that telling someone that they are heartless and wishing that something bad might happen to them is not very nice either...is there some sort of reason why you only see the one side of this arguement Syren?
She didn't specifically call him heartless, it was directed at anyone who immediately stated that the kid who got shot deserved it without looking at all of the facts.
She also didn't wish anything bad on anyone, she said that if those who are making such rash comments were to experience something similar in their lives, maybe they would be able to see things from a different perspective. I happen to think she's right, I am being objective and from your comment above it appears you're the one who is only reading certain parts of the discussion. Which is even worse than only seeing things from one side.
Originally posted by Syren
Fair enough. But that still gives you no right to insult her. Perhaps if you had said 'my parent said the following...' about her parenting skills? I'm sure she would take their comments into consideration well before she ever listened to you.I don't mean to insult you Matt, but you are young. Using such a comment in a derogatory fashion was out of line and that's what I'm referring to.
How old are you? You're about... 23. How did you grow up? How am I growing up? We're kids, ahve been kids, we know what shit parenting is or not, because we'd be on the recieving end of it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I added that ^
The moment she said I was heartless (Which I'll admit, I can be at times), and wanted something horrible to happen to me, she opened up seasonal hunting grounds. And I doubt it. People of all ages, even Shellie commented about it/has commented about it in the past. And, if she really wants his comments... I'll try and get them.
Originally posted by Syren
She didn't specifically call him heartless, it was directed at anyone who immediately stated that the kid who got shot deserved it without looking at all of the facts.She also didn't wish anything bad on anyone, she said that if those who are making such rash comments were to experience something similar in their lives, maybe they would be able to see things from a different perspective. I happen to think she's right, I am being objective and from your comment above it appears you're the one who is only reading certain parts of the discussion. Which is even worse than only seeing things from one side.
She called everyone that said that heartless...he did say it...so she insulted 5 people in this thread....great.
You are a very subjective reader I believe...her statement is not that she thinks if something bad might happen to them they might think different...read it again.
I am not sure what you are reffering to, what parts have I left out? Do you even know aboot the discussion we had with her aboot Parenting? How can you judge that without knowing what has happened. It was a reference to an earlier thread, and I am sure JP will understand what he meant. Oh and how come that nowadays only parents have a right to talk aboot and judge parenting?
If this was about a man or a woman and people said they deserved what they got, people wouldn't be half as quick to shout out "You're heartless." The kid made a bad call and just like anyone else he got what circumstance deserved to deliver to him. It's not heartless to say that, it's just true. It's unfortunate it resulted in lethal consequence but these things happen.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
If I got told the person had a fake knife by no less then 3 people, and no one else was in danger(everyone had left), and I was wearing body armour(swat have alot of this) I think I might take the chance to try to save the prep
But minus all this info you wouldn't wait around to be stabbed, or in this case, shot, would you? No.
So yes, the idea is that they preserve their lives when they feel threatened. That's the general idea. If you don't like it, stop making guns legal. Don't give your Police forces a lethal weapon and moan when they use it.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
She called everyone that said that heartless...he did say it...so she insulted 5 people in this thread....great.You are a very subjective reader I believe...her statement is not that she thinks if something bad might happen to them they might think different...read it again.
I am not sure what you are reffering to, what parts have I left out? Do you even know aboot the discussion we had with her aboot Parenting? How can you judge that without knowing what has happened. It was a reference to an earlier thread, and I am sure JP will understand what he meant. Oh and how come that nowadays only parents have a right to talk aboot and judge parenting?
She was right to insult those people who said it, they are heartless.
So she wished something bad on all the people who said the kid deserved it? So what? They said the kid deserved to be shot. If that's not harsh enough for JP {or anyone} to retaliate in such a way then I don't know what is. I still agree with her, even if she commented in an overly aggressive manner.
You didn't leave any specific statements out, but you are saying that JP is the one to blame because she commented the way she did. You seem to be missing the reasons why she said it. Because some people here said such an awful thing about the kid who got shot, without considering all the facts. Obviously this touched a nerve with JP and she responded the way she did... which I can understand.
What I don't understand is why her kids and parenting skills were brought into the discussion. She felt for the kid who got shot, she blasted those who thought he deserved it, and she was blasted in return for the way she parents? That doesn't add up, IMO. Not only were her parenting skills brought into the spotlight, Matt actually had the audacity to question her kids' existence. This discussion has sweet FA to do with JP, her kids or her parenting skills and the reason I defended her is because I don't think her comments warranted such a nasty response from him. The reference to another thread should not have been made in defence of comments in this thread.
But I do agree that children should be able to judge on parenting skills, although their opinions will never be as substantial as those of a parent.
Whoa whoa whoa there.
Originally posted by Syren
She was right to insult those people who said it, they are heartless.So she wished something bad on all the people who said the kid deserved it? So what? They said the kid deserved to be shot. If that's not harsh enough for JP {or anyone} to retaliate in such a way then I don't know what is. I still agree with her, even if she commented in an overly aggressive manner.
The kid did something and as a consequence, "deserved" something else. That's what happened. You bring a gun to school in today's climate and you deserve all you get. It IS unfortunate that it ended how it did, absolutely. I wouldn't wish that death on ANYONE regardless of age, but I think you are forgetting that in the frantic mind of a cop, it was the kid or one of them. I'd personally choose me, yes that's right. If a kid aimed at me with a gun and I didn't know it was fake or not, I'd shoot him. Damn right. I'm not gonna risk death just so people can go "Aww he didn't shoot the kid."
He did something and the police did something in return. Why does admitting that mean that you deserve something bad to happen? How despicable do you wanna get? If it wasn't a kid there'd be nowhere near as much hoopla.
Originally posted by Syren
She felt for the kid who got shot, she blasted those who thought he deserved it, and she was blasted in return for the way she parents? That doesn't add up, IMO.
You're right, it doesn't. Her parenting has nothing to do with this. On the other hand, you know what DOES have something to do with it? The kid's age and actions. He acted in a way that would have got ANYBODY shot.
I don't believe anyone would have deserved death, but I do believe anyone acting in a way that might result in death as consequence of the POLICE feeling threatened, deserve WHATEVER is coming to them. Be it a beanbag to the face or a bullet. You act in a way that invites bad results, then expect those bad results.
-AC
What I don't understand is why her kids and parenting skills were brought into the discussion. She felt for the kid who got shot, she blasted those who thought he deserved it, and she was blasted in return for the way she parents? That doesn't add up, IMO. Not only were her parenting skills brought into the spotlight, Matt actually had the audacity to question her kids' existence. This discussion has sweet FA to do with JP, her kids or her parenting skills and the reason I defended her is because I don't think her comments warranted such a nasty response from him. The reference to another thread should not have been made in defence of comments in this thread.
Audacity? She's the one that stated I was heartless. She has the audacity to make that judgement? 🙄
Originally posted by Syren
She was right to insult those people who said it, they are heartless.So she wished something bad on all the people who said the kid deserved it? So what? They said the kid deserved to be shot. If that's not harsh enough for JP {or anyone} to retaliate in such a way then I don't know what is. I still agree with her, even if she commented in an overly aggressive manner.
You didn't leave any specific statements out, but you are saying that JP is the one to blame because she commented the way she did. You seem to be missing the reasons why she said it. Because some people here said such an awful thing about the kid who got shot, without considering all the facts. Obviously this touched a nerve with JP and she responded the way she did... which I can understand.
What I don't understand is why her kids and parenting skills were brought into the discussion. She felt for the kid who got shot, she blasted those who thought he deserved it, and she was blasted in return for the way she parents? That doesn't add up, IMO. Not only were her parenting skills brought into the spotlight, Matt actually had the audacity to question her kids' existence. This discussion has sweet FA to do with JP, her kids or her parenting skills and the reason I defended her is because I don't think her comments warranted such a nasty response from him. The reference to another thread should not have been made in defence of comments in this thread.
But I do agree that children should be able to judge on parenting skills, although their opinions will never be as substantial as those of a parent.
In your opinion. In Scooters she is Heartless for monitoring her kids 24/7.
No, I am saying that since JP, saying that those people who said that are heartless, why shouldn't Scooter be allowed to answer in a similar fashion?
Maybe they were brought in because JP touched a nerve with Scooter? Or they were brought in cause it seems that JP can be rather heartless at times too. There are enough reasons, and they were only brought in for one sentence. Her attacking the people that stated that the kid deserved to be shot was much longer.
I don't see why they shouldn't. There are some lame ass parents while there are some really smart none parents...jt having kids doesn't make you a parenting expert. You might have an advantage but nothing more.
I think it's way more of an overkill to say "You all deserve something horrible."
"For what?"
"For not reading the thread properly."
Bit of an out there judgement call if you ask me. If you don't read the thread then you're careless, it doesn't mean you deserve to be shot.
Bottom line: The kid took a gun to school. What do you expect?
-AC
Whoopsi............I hit a few nerves did I? 😐 😆
Kerrie is exactly right. It does offend my sense of common decency to see the bloodlust that was distributed in this thread towards another human being. I've seen it time and time again from you people. Some of you act like a bunch of barbaric animals when it comes to the suffering of others. Which is why I responded the way that I did. And Kerrie, they know full well I have children, they just resort to pulling their disdain for the way I parent my kids out as a defense for whenever I've made them feel bad about their behavior.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whoa whoa whoa there.The kid did something and as a consequence, "deserved" something else. That's what happened. You bring a gun to school in today's climate and you deserve all you get. It IS unfortunate that it ended how it did, absolutely. I wouldn't wish that death on ANYONE regardless of age, but I think you are forgetting that in the frantic mind of a cop, it was the kid or one of them. I'd personally choose me, yes that's right. If a kid aimed at me with a gun and I didn't know it was fake or not, I'd shoot him. Damn right. I'm not gonna risk death just so people can go "Aww he didn't shoot the kid."
-AC
Finally ONLY after I posted do the underlined statement make it into your argument. Had the people in question bothered to add that simple sentence that showed they had some deceny, Id have never posted what I did.
Originally posted by Jedi PriestessDidn't you feel bad about how your son turned out? The one you claimed you were afraid to let in your own house 😱 Zing! Yahtzee!
Whoopsi............I hit a few nerves did I? 😐 😆Kerrie is exactly right. It does offend my sense of common decency to see the bloodlust that was distributed in this thread towards another human being. I've seen it time and time again from you people. Some of you act like a bunch of barbaric animals when it comes to the suffering of others. Which is why I responded the way that I did. And Kerrie, they know full well I have children, they just resort to pulling their disdain for the way I parent my kids out as a defense for whenever I've made them feel bad about their behavior.
For the record, JP, I never once referred to your parenting. I don't believe it's at all relevant so I wouldn't bring it, or your kids, into this discussion.
However, I don't think it's bloodlust to say he deserved what he got. Most people who said it did so on the premise that he brought a gun to school and the cops didn't know if they could have been killed or not.
I'm curious as to how having this mentality means that they deserve dreadful occurances. If someone walks out into the road without looking and gets hit by a car, they deserve it, it's stupid and idiotic. I don't deserve to be shot for making that comment.
-AC
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Whoopsi............I hit a few nerves did I? 😐 😆Kerrie is exactly right. It does offend my sense of common decency to see the bloodlust that was distributed in this thread towards another human being. I've seen it time and time again from you people. Some of you act like a bunch of barbaric animals when it comes to the suffering of others. Which is why I responded the way that I did. And Kerrie, they know full well I have children, they just resort to pulling their disdain for the way I parent my kids out as a defense for whenever I've made them feel bad about their behavior.
Finally ONLY after I posted do the underlined statement make it into your argument. Had the people in question bothered to add that simple sentence that showed they had some deceny, Id have never posted what I did.
What suffering though? A stupid kid with a gun that claimed he want to die in the first plavce, gut shot pointing a gun at a Police Officer.
IOn the one hand the kid didn't even suffer, he got what he wanted. On teh other his behaviour asked for that to happen. If I had any compassion at all, then surely not for the dumbass kid but for the cop who was forced to shoot the idiot.
Originally posted by §cooter
Didn't you feel bad about how your son turned out? The one you claimed you were afraid to let in your own house 😱 Zing! Yahtzee!
This sort of comment is exactly the reason I defended JP in the first place. You're quite obviously incapable of holding a mature discussion without resorting to personal insults as a defence mechanism for your warped opinions.
Quite sad.
Yes, I know AC, and thank you for managing to remain on the topic at hand, something which Snoopbert cant seem to do. He's bound and determined to rehash the parenting argument.
You are missing the point that I meant regarding the bloodlust statement. I myself felt the police acted in the way that they had to. They had no choice. What so offended me, was the lack of seeing that the entire situation was such a tragic waste while they were chanting "the kid got what he deserved" that ticked me off.
Yep Kerrie, that'd pretty much be my argument there.