Wonderman vs. Mindless Hulk

Originally posted by Horrificus
um... Yeah. Good argument.
Nice debating with ya. 😆

Thanks,I try.

Somewhat 😮

I'm not saying that Simon wins. I'm just saying that he wins a few, and that he is more than just a brick.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm not saying that Simon wins. I'm just saying that he wins a few, and that he is more than just a brick.

I wouldnt give Simon any wins personally,he was losing with help,why would he do better without it?

I was just joking on my first post,in case I came across as snide.

Originally posted by Horrificus
It is supposed to be the future of the 616 timeline. So, these are the same characters. Just in a future setting.

Future stories are not in continuity, whether you think it should count or not. And even so, it hardly showed a strength superiority.

Who cares? When everybody talks about the Hulk capitalizing on Gladiator's weakness to radiation, nobody yelled "Hey! No Fair! Hulk is capitalizing on that!" 😂

Quote where I said it wasn't fair. I pointed out that Tyrannus overestimated the Abomination's body and was taken off-guard by the electrical shock.

Ok, so what are you saying? One thing says how strong the Hulk may be. The other thing says how powerful WM's punches are.
2 different things. Personally, in a fight, I would rather have the striking power of Mjolnir in my punches, than be able to lift a lot of weight.

People can say Wonder Man hits like Mjolnir all day long. The history between Hulk and Wonder Man shows who's superior. Their fights bear this out.

Got news for ya, If you throw Hulk into the Sun, he is gonna die too.

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, getting killed by something is not a durability feat.

The same can be said for WM. He has also taken on groups of top-tiers.

Good for Wonder Man. Hulk has taken on groups that included Wonder Man.

As with Hulk's battle, it was non-conclusive. And, as I stated, WM also beat Abomination and It.

Why do you bring up opponents Hulk has beaten? Even with his power doubled, Abomination fell to the Hulk.

These guys are more evenly matched than you are saying they are.

Not based on their fights. Wonder Man may hang in their for a bit but this fight is going to Mindless. Wonder Man's only chance is if the fight occurs near the point where Mindless' deteriorating health had him near death.

Jon, you know as well as anyone that "Hulk vs. team" is a completely different animal than Hulk in a 1-on-1 situation.

Hulk against a team becomes the unstoppable monster archetype, a Doomsday-type. He can fight Hercules, Namor, Wonder Man, and Iron Man, and they will do worse than any of them normally would solo. That's just the way it is.

We're not talking about the usual Hulk here. We're talking about the animalistic Hulk from Byrne and Milgrom's run who grew so angry while beating on a helpless Doc Samson that subsequently he was able to whip up on the Avengers despite weakening.

Wonder Man may last a while but he won't win.

it might have something to do with what Cho says about Hulk always holding back. when fighting a team, he's less liable to outright kill someone accidentally, since they each get some room for maneuver when Hulk is distracted by a colleague.

when he's fighting one-on-one, he's gotta keep it in check or else the opponent dies.

Originally posted by janus77
it might have something to do with what Cho says about Hulk always holding back. when fighting a team, he's less liable to outright kill someone accidentally, since they each get some room for maneuver when Hulk is distracted by a colleague.

when he's fighting one-on-one, he's gotta keep it in check or else the opponent dies.

Holding back. Heh.

No.

Originally posted by strengthkills
I wouldnt give Simon any wins personally,he was losing with help,why would he do better without it?

I was just joking on my first post,in case I came across as snide.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Holding back. Heh.

No.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I agree with KK.
That holding back thing is a joke, and I really don't care what Cho says. He can't rewrite the entire history of the Hulk.

He didn't. He just explained and expanded on it (in an incredibly stupid but now completely cannonical way)

Wonder Man’s fist is compared to Thor’s hammer
He has stated way back in Avengers when he was on the team with Herc that he has the most powerful punch

Hulk does hold back, just as most heroes do. Banner also exerts a moderating influence over the Hulk. This was noted decades ago.

Wonder Man also holds back.

This isn't that Hulk though and he won't be holding back.

You know they've done lots of Hulks but from mindless to whatever...ive only basically followed the variants in the Mcfarlane sense of grey mindless and other avenger like appearances. Anyhow they've never really done an insane Hulk where he loses it. Isn't that what people are waiting for...?

Welcome to my world.

hulk

Originally posted by Horrificus
I agree with KK.
That holding back thing is a joke, and I really don't care what Cho says. He can't rewrite the entire history of the Hulk.
There is a reason why everybody has been trying to get rid of him, and it ain't because he is so sweet and good and gentle around other heroes! 🙄

As for the fight, this is a stomp in favor of Hulk. Fight will take some time, but the murder machine (yep, Mindless Hulk does kill) wins.

Lol at the Cho "holding back" retcon.

True is that when the comic was published, hulk was going all and loosing power after reaching PEAK while WM was holding back.

Still Hulk should win over WM especially if is a mindless Hulk, WM could defeat a low rage hulk, but imo not the mindless one.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol at the Cho "holding back" retcon.

True is that when the comic was published, hulk was going all and loosing power after reaching PEAK while WM was holding back.

Still Hulk should win over WM especially if is a mindless Hulk, WM could defeat a low rage hulk, but imo not the mindless one.

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also:

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