Originally posted by psycho gundam
banner was smarter than cho and curtailed hulk the best he could.U MAD
also:
I honestly don't understand where are you trying to go with this.
Ok, so Banner stated in a comic written by Pack that He always hold back but that does not change the fact that Hulk historically and for the past 30 or 40 years prior to Greg Pak, Hulk's power comes from a rampage* and He uses this violent beast to save the day, all the writers before wrote those stories with HULK going in a rampage, so Pak trying to retcon those past 40 years with a simple "holding back" statement is quite silly, that is why I LOL at the "cho retcon" Hulk's power comes from a rampaging rage trying to say that a rampaging rage is under control is quite silly, IMO specially when all the guys before you have said and confirmed this over and over again.
Having said that, ON THIS PARTICULAR comic in which a BANNERLESS hulk is fighting Simon there is no Banner that will try to keep the Hulk on check, this is actually a Hulk that reached PEAK strength (because of the lack of Banner) but also is getting WEAKER AFTER REACHING PEAK (Because of the lack of Banner) this particular rampage has been going on IIRC for at least 5 days.
In any case I believe WE are on the same page in here, Simon is not defeating a mindless rampaging Hulk, He could defeat a non-enraged Hulk, but not this particular Hulk.
* Rampage: noun
1. a period of violent and uncontrollable behavior, typically involving a large group of people.
^ LOL 40 years of evidence written by other people say otherwise.
It is easier for me find statements saying that Hulk is on a rampage than a SINGLE statement of a writer who had the bright idea of having him "holding back"
Leave those for THOR OR SUPERMAN who historically hold back, but Hulk historically is on a rampage and historically does not hold back (unless written by Greg Pak)
All you have to do is show a human body count, that was the point of the quote as well as the fact that Hulk's entire character is based off of controlling the beast within. like you just sound dumb right now if you think there is no evidence of Banner impacting Hulk's rampages.
When Banner was separated the Avengers had to stop him cause Banner wasn't there to stop him from murdering anyone
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
^ LOL 40 years of evidence written by other people say otherwise.It is easier for me find statements saying that Hulk is on a rampage than a SINGLE statement of a writer who had the bright idea of having him "holding back"
Leave those for THOR OR SUPERMAN who historically hold back, but Hulk historically is on a rampage and historically does not hold back (unless written by Greg Pak)
What does Rampage have to do with someone holding back? WWH went on a rampage and he was still holding back. Also...there are a lot of statements from Superman himself where he isn't holding back...like against his fight against Adam (who he couldn't move out of a city).
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
,^Care to show?Iirc almos all writers except for Pak have the hulk running rampant.
Besides, a rampage could be as little as crushing some picket fences to destroying a building or two. That doesn't prove anything whatsoever. Writers such as Stan Lee and PAD have discussed the subconscious influence Banner has over Hulks actions, this is (or should be) a pretty well known fact.
Pretty sure Hulk was dying and getting weaker in that scene with Wonder Man no?
And historically Banner has limited Savage Hulks strength subconsciously no? He's the reason Hulk did not kill nearly as much as he should have.
For example, against Onslaught when Jean blocked out Banners mind so that Hulks power could be unleashed.
I'm certain it's not completely consistent but it's hardly unheard of either. Pak didn't come up with this out of nowhere. The gamma math was stupid though.
Originally posted by Stoic
NopeDid you see the scan above? The Hulk had him in a panic. Any worse and he would have wet himself.
Mindless Hulk destroys WM.
Originally posted by Stoic
Did you see the scan above? The Hulk had him in a panic. Any worse and he would have wet himself.