Lucifer & Michael vs FullPotential-Max Faraday, Scott Free, Dr Manhattan, Hyperstorm

ITs never said any were that max had the power of god in divine right. the closest thing stated was he had the power of creation and he was the most powerful person in his U. having the power of creation isnt all that big when it comes to comics these days. a whol lot of characters have the power of creation like. DR.Manhatten( in the end of the wacthers he give a hint he was going to creat his own) Molecule Man ( after his weakness was taking away. and liek all the 5TH dem imps have the power of creation outside the dem.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Is it actually stated in Divine right that Max's powers place him on an equal footing with the supreme being? Or is it just stated that he wields the power of creation?

It is absolute that the Creation Equation is, the power of God!

But at this point he can rearrange reality upto a global scale, he created a world the size of earth for him and his friends to arrive on in a diffferent galaxy, but Max is very new to his power and sometimes he does things by mistake, like when he teleported his girlfriend 10 billion light years away from his sub-conscious cause he was angry with her. She ended up on a lifeless planet in the past, luckily for her he figured how to teleport her back.

Max is barely over his teens and he came into this power not to long ago, he hangs with a group called the Fallen, four characters that have a tiny fraction of the Creation Equation's power, their purpose is to teach Max how to use his power.

Originally posted by supremthor
ITs never said any were that max had the power of god in divine right. the closest thing stated was he had the power of creation and he was the most powerful person in his U. having the power of creation isnt all that big when it comes to comics these days. a whol lot of characters have the power of creation like. DR.Manhatten( in the end of the wacthers he give a hint he was going to creat his own) Molecule Man ( after his weakness was taking away. and liek all the 5TH dem imps have the power of creation outside the dem.

Correction my friend, the Creation Equation give you the power of God, period.

From his bio:

Divine Right is a comic book created by Jim Lee and published by Wildstorm. The comic features Max Faraday, a comp. student who inadvertently becomes the receptacle of an incredible mystic power.
We see the story; millennia ago, in the days of the Old Testament, screaming backwards through time, a gigantic creation fell to Earth, impacting into a Middle-Eastern desert. An engine capable of unthinkable power, it was later to be called the Creation Equation, potentially able to PRVIDE a user with the POWER of GOD.

Hunted for this power he now wields, he is helped notably by The Fallen (Brande, Tobruk and Exotica; a trio of super-powered beings who have a fraction of Max's power which bonds them to him), Christy Blaze, John Lynch (Gen13's mentor) and Fairchild, the peer leader of Gen13.
The ensuing journey sees Max embrace his Divine Right, as he takes control of the situation, and ultimately the universe, as he truly tests the limits of what God can do, and how much humanity can be retained.

Originally posted by unknowable
Correction my friend, the Creation Equation give you the power of God, period.

From his bio:

Divine Right is a comic book created by Jim Lee and published by Wildstorm. The comic features Max Faraday, a comp. student who inadvertently becomes the receptacle of an incredible mystic power.
We see the story; millennia ago, in the days of the Old Testament, screaming backwards through time, a gigantic creation fell to Earth, impacting into a Middle-Eastern desert. An engine capable of unthinkable power, it was later to be called the Creation Equation, potentially able to PRVIDE a user with the POWER of GOD.

Hunted for this power he now wields, he is helped notably by The Fallen (Brande, Tobruk and Exotica; a trio of super-powered beings who have a fraction of Max's power which bonds them to him), Christy Blaze, John Lynch (Gen13's mentor) and Fairchild, the peer leader of Gen13.
The ensuing journey sees Max embrace his Divine Right, as he takes control of the situation, and ultimately the universe, as he truly tests the limits of what God can do, and how much humanity can be retained.

Repeated the post to make sure you understand.

PS. Max doesn't wield the power of God now, but at full control he will according to his creators.

no need to debate this, facts baby...

Originally posted by unknowable
Correction my friend, the Creation Equation give you the power of God, period.

From his bio:

Divine Right is a comic book created by Jim Lee and published by Wildstorm. The comic features Max Faraday, a comp. student who inadvertently becomes the receptacle of an incredible mystic power.
We see the story; millennia ago, in the days of the Old Testament, screaming backwards through time, a gigantic creation fell to Earth, impacting into a Middle-Eastern desert. An engine capable of unthinkable power, it was later to be called the Creation Equation, potentially able to PRVIDE a user with the POWER of GOD.

Hunted for this power he now wields, he is helped notably by The Fallen (Brande, Tobruk and Exotica; a trio of super-powered beings who have a fraction of Max's power which bonds them to him), Christy Blaze, John Lynch (Gen13's mentor) and Fairchild, the peer leader of Gen13.
The ensuing journey sees Max embrace his Divine Right, as he takes control of the situation, and ultimately the universe, as he truly tests the limits of what God can do, and how much humanity can be retained.

Well with that in mind that places him on the same level as Archangel Michael who also wields the power of God. The demiurge, the creation power of God.

With that in mind the brothers still win.

No if they both have total control of creation neither can win!

Originally posted by supremthor
ITs never said any were that max had the power of god in divine right. the closest thing stated was he had the power of creation and he was the most powerful person in his U. having the power of creation isnt all that big when it comes to comics these days. a whol lot of characters have the power of creation like. DR.Manhatten( in the end of the wacthers he give a hint he was going to creat his own) Molecule Man (after his weakness was taking away. and liek all the 5TH dem imps have the power of creation outside the dem.

By the way just found in Divine Right#4 how the ability to create reality through will power is only and I quote: "the basic foundation of the creation equation in time there will be nothing you can't do"

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No if they both have total control of creation neither can win!

Yes possibly but its not just Michael involved its also Lucifer. Max would be on the same level as Michael so it would hardly be a stalemate.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well with that in mind that places him on the same level as Archangel Michael who also wields the power of God. The demiurge, the creation power of God.

With that in mind the brothers still win.

uhhm Michael's and Lucifer's aswell, because if Michael and Lucifer together make God's total power, demiurge and will, Max at full potential has both, God's total power, not just to create but destroy or whatever else he wishes.

ps. One of Faraday's most dangerous enemies Lazarus, wants to take Max's power to kill God and remake reality across ALL space.
Does he mean the multi-verse I don't know.
Does he mean God/Yahweh/Presense, well he must cuz DC owns Divine Right now.

Your wondering how can he possibly take his power, Max is basically a kid and ignorant about his full capacity.
They had to make him this way, otherwise there's a new God in town, and his name is Max Faraday.

Originally posted by unknowable
uhhm Michael's and Lucifer's aswell, because if Michael and Lucifer together make God's total power, demiurge and will, Max at full potential has both, God's total power, not just to create but destroy or whatever else he wishes.

ps. One of Faraday's most dangerous enemies Lazarus, wants to take Max's power to kill God and remake reality across ALL space.
Does he mean the multi-verse I don't know.
Does he mean God/Yahweh/Presense, well he must cuz DC owns Divine Right now.

Your wondering how can he possibly take his power, Max is basically a kid and ignorant about his full capacity.
They had to make him this way, otherwise there's a new God in town, and his name is Max Faraday.

It was said in divine right that Max has gods creation power not his total power so you must be careful not to make that assumption. If it says he has gods total power then can you point me to the issue as ive just downloaded all 12 issues.

DC may now own Divine Rights but at the time it wasnt written they didnt so you cant say Lazarus was talking about Yahweh.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It was said in divine right that Max has gods creation power not his total power so you must be careful not to make that assumption. If it says he has gods total power then can you point me to the issue as ive just downloaded all 12 issues.

DC may now own Divine Rights but at the time it wasnt written they didnt so you cant say Lazarus was talking about Yahweh.

Good point, he might have been talking about the Image universe God,
as for God's total power, it doesn't use the word :total", it just say's the power of God, but it doesn't say just creation iether.

In any case I didn't memorize the exact issue but it's there and if you have all twelve issues you will bump into it, for the time being here's a link to his bio which also mentions it "it provides a user with the Power of God"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Right
copy & paste..

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It was said in divine right that Max has gods creation power not his total power so you must be careful not to make that assumption. If it says he has gods total power then can you point me to the issue as ive just downloaded all 12 issues.

DC may now own Divine Rights but at the time it wasnt written they didnt so you cant say Lazarus was talking about Yahweh.

You no joke how quickly you get them issues...

Originally posted by unknowable
Good point, he might have been talking about the Image universe God,
as for God's total power, it doesn't use the word :total", it just say's the power of God, but it doesn't say just creation iether.

In any case I didn't memorize the exact issue but it's there and if you have all twelve issues you will bump into it, for the time being here's a link to his bio which also mentions it "it provides a user with the Power of God"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Right
copy & paste..

Im gonna have to get back to you on what exactlys said because i dont wanna skim read though the issues just for this debate because the series actually looks quite good so i dont wanna spoil it for myself.

However just saying Max wields gods power doesnt place him on an equal footing with the supreme being. Its not specific enough, so its far from conclusive. Both Lucifer and Michael wield Gods power for example.

Wikipedias entries are often written by the public and its entries can be edited at any time so while its useful its not always sufficient evidence in debates.

I'll get back to you anyway. Either way i cant see HyperStorm or Dr Man playing much of a part. There are more powerful beings you couldve chosen from. Hyperstorms powers being derived from creation for example and Dr Man only being able to manipulate creation as opposed to his power being totally independent from it.

People, you simply don't understand the Brothers. The others created a universe? That's nice. The Brothers created everything that is. Creation itself. Everything that can possibly be, cannot be and will be. A multiverse is not Creation. A multiverse is the Internet. Creation is the Internet, the computer, the mouse, the keyboard, the modem processor and everything outside the computer.

Originally posted by Draco69
People, you simply don't understand the Brothers. The others created a universe? That's nice. The Brothers created everything that is. Creation itself. Everything that can possibly be, cannot be and will be. A multiverse is not Creation. A multiverse is the Internet. Creation is the Internet, the computer, the mouse, the keyboard, the modem processor and everything outside the computer.

I think the brothers will win as well but to be fair the brothers created a universe and Kronas machinations were responsible for the multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think the brothers will win as well but to be fair the brothers created a universe and Kronas machinations were responsible for the multiverse.

The Vertigo comics say otherwise. Which is why I and several others just tend to ignore Krona's role.

DC Universe history and Vertigo history clash in alot ways though...

Originally posted by Draco69
The Vertigo comics say otherwise. Which is why I and several others just tend to ignore Krona's role.

DC Universe history and Vertigo history clash in alot ways though...

What Vertigo comics? Lucifer certainly doesnt. I have all 69 issues and id love for you to point out an instance from an issue.

In Lucifer its stated that the Presences creation is a universe and its also stated that they helped in making it under Gods direction.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What Vertigo comics? Lucifer certainly doesnt. I have all 69 issues and id love for you to point out an instance from an issue.

In Lucifer its stated that the Presences creation is a universe and its also stated that they helped in making it under Gods direction.

This is actually true 😕 No GS bullshit here Draco! weird stuff, huh!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What Vertigo comics? Lucifer certainly doesnt. I have all 69 issues and id love for you to point out an instance from an issue.

In Lucifer its stated that the Presences creation is a universe and its also stated that they helped in making it under Gods direction.

For what I understand Michael and Lucifer didn't merely create a universe they created Creation itself...or am I wrong...