Sliverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 1, Fight 1- long pig vs. Blair Wind

Originally posted by illadelph12
How so?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Duplicate boy is only allowed to be using one power set at a time, i regard all the dupes of DB to be a single character slot in your 4 man line up.... as soon as one of them takes another power the duplication power should vanish (unless or until he goes back to it) - if there's more than one DB on the field he should not be permitted to use other powers

or simpler - if one of the dupes disconnects for the "duplicate network" it should cease to function/live as it's no longer part of DB-Prime

that's my understanding of the single power rule

not taking sides... i have the same problem with Animal Man (though he was never held to that rule at the start like DB was)

Originally posted by grey fox
Voting for LP , he doesn't go against the Law's of the universe (Radiation effected by gravity , combustion inside of a air tight suit ? ect)

radiation IS affected by gravity..... ever heard people mention that light cannot escape from a black hole?

No what i'm saying is that from the way blair was telling it , his gravity wall neutralized the Radiation completely............

I'll go with LP

Originally posted by Scoobless
i know exactly what you meant the whole time.... my problem with it is simple, Duplicate boy is only allowed to be using one power set at a time, i regard all the dupes of DB to be a single character slot in your 4 man line up.... as soon as one of them takes another power the duplication power should vanish (unless or until he goes back to it) - if there's more than one DB on the field he should not be permitted to use other powers

or simpler - if one of the dupes disconnects for the "duplicate network" it should cease to function/live as it's no longer part of DB-Prime

that's my understanding of the single power rule

not taking sides... i have the same problem with Animal Man (though he was never held to that rule at the start like DB was)

Duplicate Boy is using one power. The power just happens to be to make duplicates of himself. Each dupe would have the powers of Duplicate boy, not Multiple Man. They're copies of Duplicate Boy. The original Dupe Boy would have MM's powers, but the copies of Duplicate boy would be individual, blank slate Dupe Boys (like Multiple Man if he didn't have a magical curse).

Originally posted by grey fox
No what i'm saying is that from the way blair was telling it , his gravity wall neutralized the Radiation completely............

Good question:

Blair, is your gravity effects neutralizing all the radiation, or is Powerhouse simply immune to it? I don't think the rest of your team is.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Duplicate Boy is using one power. The power just happens to be to make duplicates of himself. Each dupe would have the powers of Duplicate boy, not Multiple Man. They're copies of Duplicate Boy. The original Dupe Boy would have MM's powers, but the copies of Duplicate boy would be individual, blank slate Dupe Boys (like Multiple Man if he didn't have a magical curse).

Exactally, that's why I think Blair has the advantage. He could make his own Radiation Man army.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Duplicate Boy is using one power. The power just happens to be to make duplicates of himself. Each dupe would have the powers of Duplicate boy, not Multiple Man. They're copies of Duplicate Boy. The original Dupe Boy would have MM's powers, but the copies of Duplicate boy would be individual, blank slate Dupe Boys (like Multiple Man if he didn't have a magical curse).

what happens to Multiple Man's duplicates when Multiple Man dies?

they all shut down because they're cut off from Madrox Prime as seen in AOA and Earth X

If any of them seperate from Duplicate Boy here then they will suffer the same fate

If they want to stay alive they all have to still be sharing the MM powers and, as they are only allowed to use one power at a time, they cannot create an army of super-powered beings

I'm not saying the concept is Beyond Duplicate Boy.... just that it's illegal in this Tourney

They don't have to cut off from Dupe Prime, they're their own Dupe Boy. So long as Dupe Prime has MM powers, he can create 1000 Dupe Boys, each with Dupe Boys powers. I don't think his dupes would be able to dupe, however, because Dupe Boy's power is Duplicating powers. Now, if a few of the Dupe Boy clones copied MM again, it would get really out of hand. As it stands, I think Blair would have 1000 Wendigos and 1000 Dupe Boy clons thar could take on any powers they want (save Dupe Boy Prime). If that's the case, Blair has a big advantage, but only if he acts fast, because Speedfreek and Animal man can be on his position quickly.

Originally posted by Scoobless
what happens to Multiple Man's duplicates when Multiple Man dies?

they all shut down because they're cut off from Madrox Prime as seen in AOA and Earth X

If any of them seperate from Duplicate Boy here then they will suffer the same fate

If they want to stay alive they all have to still be sharing the MM powers and, as they are only allowed to use one power at a time, they cannot create an army of super-powered beings

I'm not saying the concept is Beyond Duplicate Boy.... just that it's illegal in this Tourney

You may have a point.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Good question:

Blair, is your gravity effects neutralizing all the radiation, or is Powerhouse simply immune to it? I don't think the rest of your team is.

Powerhouse is simply immune....more than immune actually he can absorb it into himself and then use it as power bombs.

what happens to Multiple Man's duplicates when Multiple Man dies?

they all shut down because they're cut off from Madrox Prime as seen in AOA and Earth X

If any of them seperate from Duplicate Boy here then they will suffer the same fate

If they want to stay alive they all have to still be sharing the MM powers and, as they are only allowed to use one power at a time, they cannot create an army of super-powered beings

Originally posted by Scoobless
what happens to Multiple Man's duplicates when Multiple Man dies?

they all shut down because they're cut off from Madrox Prime as seen in AOA and Earth X

If any of them seperate from Duplicate Boy here then they will suffer the same fate

If they want to stay alive they all have to still be sharing the MM powers and, as they are only allowed to use one power at a time, they cannot create an army of super-powered beings

However Duplicate boy isnt dead, right? They are all still mentally connected to DB prime, if he dies sure they all die, but since they are copies of him, they then posses the power to copy powers.
Duplicate Boy is using one power. The power just happens to be to make duplicates of himself. Each dupe would have the powers of Duplicate boy, not Multiple Man. They're copies of Duplicate Boy. The original Dupe Boy would have MM's powers, but the copies of Duplicate boy would be individual, blank slate Dupe Boys (like Multiple Man if he didn't have a magical curse).

and if animal man is making dupes and then powering them up its the same thing. Plus can AM do that? why didnt he do that in that one scan, instead he got slashed up. Any other times he's done that and powered up?

Also I want to know how LP is gonna get to me? Through the use of my gravity fields I can do more than just hold him down. I could also switch my gravity force and make an anti gravity field, making his flying characters go out of control with their own anti gravity boots with the sudden change in pressure and have RM floating around while Crystal hits him with her firewinds.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
However Duplicate boy isnt dead, right? They are all still mentally connected to DB prime, if he dies sure they all die, but since they are copies of him, they then posses the power to copy powers.
Duplicate Boy is using one power. The power just happens to be to make duplicates of himself. Each dupe would have the powers of Duplicate boy, not Multiple Man. They're copies of Duplicate Boy. The original Dupe Boy would have MM's powers, but the copies of Duplicate boy would be individual, blank slate Dupe Boys (like Multiple Man if he didn't have a magical curse).

they are linked to DB-Prime through Madrox's powers, as soon as they "disconnect" from the DB network it would have the same result as if DB-Prime had died, the Madrox-power connects them all, when they choose to abandon that power for another they are effectively cutting themselves off from their life support machines

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and if animal man is making dupes and then powering them up its the same thing. Plus can AM do that? why didnt he do that in that one scan

I agree

🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless
they are linked to DB-Prime through Madrox's powers, as soon as they "disconnect" from the DB network it would have the same result as if DB-Prime had died, the Madrox-power connects them all, when they choose to abandon that power for another they are effectively cutting themselves off from their life support machines

I dont think they disconnet they just are "born" with their own mimicing powers. DB prime is the only one with the MM powers. They are all a connection to him, however they dont have MM's powers. They have the mimicing powers, then they go and copy other peopls powers.

Just for the sake of everyone's sanity, dupes are getting capped at 5 for future matches.

And Scoob, Ill, leave the arguing to the contestants. This is their battle, not yours. Ask the contestants anything that you're not clear on. Other than that, keep it in the General Discussion thread.

IMO a duplicate ceases to exist if the progenitor loses the ability to maintain them by way of e.g. death or loss of powers, they are not maintained themselves by an ability to duplicate.

If a duplicate of the Prime creates duplicates the secondary duplicates would be dependent upon the primary duplicate maintaining them, who is in turn dependent upon the Prime's power to duplicate maintaining him.

aight, heres a scan of Crystal making an electric forcfield. The electricity seems to be coming from her hands, and she is manipluting it into a forcefield. With so many Duplicate running around I can afford one or two making a forcfield around Duplicate Boy Prime protecting him in the air

If she can do that, which is complicated, she can generate lightning bolts and hit the playing field with it. Speedfreak would go down fast and hard against it. His suit is a conductor of electricity, even at high speeds. He can't out run lightning, and the composition of his suit would attact it. That coupled with the fact Speedfreek is a normal human inside the suit equals roasted Speedfreek.

Speedfreak out.

Ironman and RM would get killed by the anti gravity, increased gravity randomnees and Crystal copies making jetstreams along the city streets, not being able to orient themselves until some of my Powerhouses come in with high speed high gravity punches.

Ironman and RM out

The animal men would be owned by my mass murdering long range elemental attacks by Crystal and her copies. No animal can stay in tornado winds and not get thrown. Coupled with lightning, fire, water, and earth, she can reack havoc on the playing field.

Animal Men out.

Really energy absorption makes most of Lp's attacks useless
plus give me the use of my devastating power bombs
my gravity makes most of his troops much slower,
my anti gravity makes them disoriented
my jetstreams will move him back, and mixed with fire it will have an added devastation factor
my lightning takes a toll on the playing field and can also make forcfields
and I can set up breeding grounds with some stationary guards with a few Powerhouse and Crystal copies protecting DB's and their coping
and my earthquakes will make RM immobile.

I've read through Wind's material this morning and I must say I find it impressive, BW gets my vote for now...

BTW, just to add a little bit to it, with Radiation Man using radiation waves my jetstreams would just throw it back at him much akin to nuclear fallout being affected by wind currents. Cept his own teamates get affected. 😉

BLair how can crystal control electricity? I thought it was four basic elements

using her atmospheric/wind control I guess. I dont know the science to it, but shes done it. It has to be some combination of her elements.

sorta like you have three(?) basic colors and when you mix them you get another color? She probably takes her elemental powers and mixes them in some way, just like she can make firestorms or typhoons, or earthstorms......