Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You haven't still been able to prove that Karate Kid doesn't have increased hearing. Explain it to me - how can he [b]hear something from a mile away if he doesn't have it. If it would have said that he sensed the heartbeat, then you would have a point, but it specifically mentioned his hearing. Now, Thing's claps make a sound of hundred times louder then the loudest human clap - which was close to human threshold of pain. Thing's claps would break the threshold hundreds of times. Karate Kid is not able to focus on individual sounds, especially heartbeats, so they wouldn't know that there is anyone in the trees.And 100 feet is only thirty and a half meters. Under (very) optimal conditions, human line of sight is nearly miles. In conditions like this it would be far less, but not so bad that he wouldn't be able to see your teammates from feets away. The smoke and fire from Thing's area have been cleared within the first thunderclap. Blitzkrieg can see your teammates from quite afar. And he certainly would be able to see them further away then 100 feet. [/B]
You still havent established the blast radius of Thing's thunderclap. You provided a scan of an angry Grey Hulk clapping Wolverine from maybe 10 feet away. Where is the picture of Thing clearing a 100 foot diameter 360 degree area, if it's even possible for him, with a casual clap like he's applauding (since you say the clap is not a full motion)?
Karate Kid has a normal human physiology, he's not a mutant like Wolverine with physical adaptations to give him feral senses, his abilities are gained through extensive training and focus, not physical abnormalities or mutation. He's also trained to drown out external stimuli and enter a state of complete focus by tapping his chi. The sonics won't effect him.
My team doesn't have to come into the open and break cover to snipe Thing, there are still trees and smoke at the edge of the clearing Thing has supposedly created. It's slso far easier to look from the cover od shade and smoke into a clearing than it is from a 100 foot elevated position down into a smoke cover and shade from trees.
These aren't anything close to optimal seeing conditions, we're in a redwood forest, which means luminosity is already low due to the shad from the trees. There is smoke billowing out from the forest which would be blocking out the sun, and all of your teammates (save Thing) are 100+ feet in the air looking down into a shaded and smoky area with less than optimal ligtimng, withiout an enhanced sense of vision, covering a large perimeter.
Gamora is trained in martial arts, battle tactics, and assassination by Thanos. Thing standing out in the open clapping is an obvious ploy to draw us out in the open for a sniper. We're not falling for it, and we have the firepower to take out your tactical positions from cover. Monolith can level cities buildings with his concussive force blast, knocking over The trees around Thing's position and disrupting Thing's clapping is not beyond our abilities.
I really like my chances.
Well, this is a doozy... Ill has the popular vote, and therefore one judge vote, by a landslide. But DC retains the only actual judge vote. (DigiMark) This fight's supposed to be closed, but there's no winner. To save a little bit of time, actual debating is closed. Judges, cast your votes, we need to decide this fight ASAP.
If it's finished, I'll post the new fights later today. I want this one done before the other 2 get going.
You surprised me with the way you utilized Thing later in the match. I had to pull out the Encyclopedia. 😆
You impressed me with your debate skills man. I haven't read many of your posts on here, but if there anything like your skills in here, i'll pay closer attention.
[Thanks for the list of Karate Kid feats too.] 😄
I will vote.
Monolith is by far the biggest threat in this match with his strength durability and fire power but with good use of A-X DC has come up with a great way to stop him. Since it is hard for a giant to hide even in a red wood forest.
Setting the forest on fire I feel greatly reduces your abilities more then DC's Ill. Because while it is true that his ability to move will be hindered with some of his guys so will yours in my opinion. Vertigo also becomes kind of useless in this scenario. She can not stay on the ground or she risks being burned alive.
Believe or not I like DC's use of Blitzkrieg. Some poeple are refering to how DC could be using him to much but all I have seen is him being used in a defensive mannor waiting to unleash when the time is right.
This brings me to the next part if Vertigo and KK take to flight then they easily become targets for Blitzkrieg to take out so therefore Vertigo is finished in this fight no matter what in my opinion. It comes down to whether KK goes down with her.
So as of now I have at least two of Ill's people going down and possibly a third in the way the debate has played out right now.
KK is Ill's only flier and he may already be out of the fight but even if he isn't I still see Blitzkrieg able to beat him out in a air battle. Leaving DC with the only flier in this battle left a very big advantage. All I see left is Gamora and she is a killing machine but I feel Karnak and Thing and A-X all working together with Blitzkrieg over top will overpower her easily.
Though I think before the rest of her teammates fall she could take out A-X or Thing before she goes down she will never the less as I've read so far.
So vote DarkCrawler