Babysitters Rape 12-week Old Baby

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is the kind of attitude we don't need.

PVS and KharmaDog for example, are saying they don't CARE if that shit happens to these people, which is fine. They're not lowering themselves to like minded level.

no AC, and damn me for saying it, but the thought of these 2 living out the rest of their miserable existance in a rape ridden hellhole gives me a sense of justice. NOT satisfaction mind you, dont get me wrong. of coarse such a fate is not state mandated(not yet thank god), but rather a "what rape?" attitude held common regarding the prison system. there are many who dont deserve this fate (most in fact) who are in prison, but imho there are a few who certainly do.

but here's the kicker. he wont be thrown in with the general population as he would be immediately killed by the other inmates (even criminals have some sense of morality it would seem). no, he will more likely be thrown in a seperate prison with other sex offenders and live a not-as-hellish existance as any other criminal would.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is the kind of attitude we don't need.

PVS and KharmaDog for example, are saying they don't CARE if that shit happens to these people, which is fine. They're not lowering themselves to like minded level by wishing it upon them or saying they'd "love to see" them tortured.

The second you admit that you would like to see someone tortured, you are as bad, at least mentally, as those people.

I cannot agree with that, not least because I'm defending me. How can you possibly say I'm as bad as those people? At least mentally? That's the worst part of it, their mental state leaves a lot to be desired and you're likening me to them because I would have no problem with their being locked up for life?

Well at least they didn't kill it.

-AC

It is a she, and she is a baby with a mother and father who would hardly see the fact she's still alive as a blessing. It shouldn't have happened at all, whether the baby's dead or alive can't be relevant. Are you serious?

This is just one of those case you wish never happen. But unfortunally they do...harming a baby is far too cruel and evil to be accepted or even forgiven.

Oh My God....that's just so sick....Jesus...12 weeks old? ..what do you do when people are that fukked up?

Originally posted by Syren

It is a she, and she is a baby with a mother and father who would hardly see the fact she's still alive as a blessing. It shouldn't have happened at all, whether the baby's dead or alive can't be relevant. Are you serious?

Originally posted by botankus
I followed this link to the BBC website and found out that England is legalising small brothels!!!!

*EDIT* I typed this before I saw Syren's new thread, BTW.

Sure you did.

Originally posted by Syren
I cannot agree with that, not least because I'm defending me. How can you possibly say I'm as bad as those people? At least mentally? That's the worst part of it, their mental state leaves a lot to be desired and you're likening me to them because I would have no problem with their being locked up for life?

Hahaha, typical Syren. Did you say anything about being locked up or did you say you'd love to watch them suffer for the rest of their lives? We both know it's the latter. You should have been clearer.

As soon as you admit that you would gain pleasure from watching someone else suffer, you are within the mental realm of a criminal. Like it or not, that's the truth.

Originally posted by Syren
It is a she, and she is a baby with a mother and father who would hardly see the fact she's still alive as a blessing.

Ungrateful bastards then aren't they? Their child could have been killed, it wasn't, they still have it to love and to care for. If those parents aren't thankful then they don't deserve to be parents. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Syren
It shouldn't have happened at all, whether the baby's dead or alive can't be relevant. Are you serious?

Yes I am. A horrific crime that nobody should endure, of any age. Rape is deplorable and inexcusable, but if you could stop being so rabidly defensive of a baby, look at the facts:

It's alive, not dead. One would think you'd be a bit relieved.

-AC

words can not espress what Im feeling right now regarding this

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, typical Syren. Did you say anything about being locked up or did you say you'd love to watch them suffer for the rest of their lives? We both know it's the latter. You should have been clearer.

As soon as you admit that you would gain pleasure from watching someone else suffer, you are within the mental realm of a criminal. Like it or not, that's the truth.

I can't let you have that one.. I did mean life imprisonment, I agreed with PVS when he said;

Originally posted by PVS
yeah, but there will always be a case which could be an exception.
as for me, i would rather this guy go to prison and live out his life looking forward to showertime fun and donkey punches, and for that lady to become intimate daily with a gang of broomstick wielding shebitch thugs. the death penalty is not only primative and evil imho...but far too kind.

I think their being locked up for the rest of their lives would be enough cause for them to suffer, which is exactly what I meant. Although PVS said it's far too kind, I think that a life sentence, where they actually remained locked up for life, would be pretty just.

Ungrateful bastards then aren't they? Their child could have been killed, it wasn't, they still have it to love and to care for. If those parents aren't thankful then they don't deserve to be parents. Simple as that.

In comparison, to the baby's being alive and not having gone through rape, then I would say the parents would be more grateful of that. Obviously I didn't mean they would prefer the child to be dead and clearly they're going to be pleased she's still alive, I guess you have to be thankful for small mercies. She was still raped, though. The fact she's alive doesn't make it all better.

Yes I am. A horrific crime that nobody should endure, of any age. Rape is deplorable.

But if you could stop being so rabidly defensive of a baby, look at the facts:

It's alive, not dead. One would think you'd be a bit relieved.

-AC

Like I said, glad she's alive. Could have been better though, the whole sorry situation could just not have happened.

Originally posted by Syren
I can't let you have that one.. I did mean life imprisonment, I agreed with PVS when he said;

I think their being locked up for the rest of their lives would be enough cause for them to suffer, which is exactly what I meant. Although PVS said it's far too kind, I think that a life sentence, where they actually remained locked up for life, would be pretty just.

Then say that and I'll agree with you. You didn't, I played the hand you dealt me. You were not clear and I went with what you posted. I'm good, but I'm not psychic. If you meant life imprisonment, say it.

Originally posted by Syren
In comparison, to the baby's being alive and not having gone through rape, then I would say the parents would be more grateful of that. Obviously I didn't mean they would prefer the child to be dead and clearly they're going to be pleased she's still alive, I guess you have to be thankful for small mercies. She was still raped, though. The fact she's alive doesn't make it all better.

Hahaha, of course the parents would be grateful of having NOTHING happen to their baby, what a silly point.

The fact is, if it's a choice between your 12 month old baby being raped and ALIVE or raped and DEAD, the choice should simple and unequivocally be the former.

Of course the fact that she's alive makes it better. It doesn't make it better in the sense of easing the pain of the rape itself, but the fact that it could have been worse.

Originally posted by Syren
Like I said, glad she's alive. Could have been better though, the whole sorry situation could just not have happened.

But it did, so be thankful she's alive. Which you are.

-AC

Originally posted by Syren
I think their being locked up for the rest of their lives would be enough cause for them to suffer, which is exactly what I meant. Although PVS said it's far too kind, I think that a life sentence, where they actually remained locked up for life, would be pretty just.[/i]

should be just, but read my last post.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is the kind of attitude we don't need.

PVS and KharmaDog for example, are saying they don't CARE if that shit happens to these people, which is fine. They're not lowering themselves to like minded level by wishing it upon them or saying they'd "love to see" them tortured.

The second you admit that you would like to see someone tortured, you are as bad, at least mentally, as those people.

Well at least they didn't kill it.

-AC

I have to disagree with you there. I think if you took a poll of 100 people on the street, at least 85 of them would want the people to suffer.
Additionally, Syren didn't say she wanted them tortured, she merely was saying she wanted them to suffer, as in stay in jail for life.

I was the one who wanted them tortured.

Originally posted by PVS
no AC, and damn me for saying it, but the thought of these 2 living out the rest of their miserable existance in a rape ridden hellhole gives me a sense of justice. NOT satisfaction mind you, dont get me wrong. of coarse such a fate is not state mandated(not yet thank god), but rather a "what rape?" attitude held common regarding the prison system. there are many who dont deserve this fate (most in fact) who are in prison, but imho there are a few who certainly do.

I totally agree, a sense of justice. Justice is what we're aiming for, not vengeance. The key here is that you said it's not satisfaction you get, which was my exact point. Saying that deserve something and saying you'd enjoy seeing someone suffer for the rest of their lives are two different ball parks.

That's what I said in the first place. You think they deserve it, don't care what happens to them, but not to the point of being satisfied by suffering.

Originally posted by PVS
but here's the kicker. he wont be thrown in with the general population as he would be immediately killed by the other inmates (even criminals have some sense of morality it would seem). no, he will more likely be thrown in a seperate prison with other sex offenders and live a not-as-hellish existance as any other criminal would.

Prisons suck, we know this. He's in jail and he can't do it to any more kids, that should be the goal achieved.

After all, we are after justice. Well, justice TO ME is them being locked away and not being able to do it again, which would be achieved.

-AC

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
I have to disagree with you there. I think if you took a poll of 100 people on the street, at least 85 of them would want the people to suffer.
Additionally, Syren didn't say she wanted them tortured, she merely was saying she wanted them to suffer, as in stay in jail for life.

I was the one who wanted them tortured.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then say that and I'll agree with you. You didn't, I played the hand you dealt me. You were not clear and I went with what you posted. I'm good, but I'm not psychic. If you meant life imprisonment, say it.

Ok, I apologise. I'll make every effort to ensure this doesn't happen again. I meant life imprisonment, I'm not bloodthirsty and I most definitely would not like to watch anyone being tortured.

Hahaha, of course the parents would be grateful of having NOTHING happen to their baby, what a silly point.

The fact is, if it's a choice between your 12 month old baby being raped and ALIVE or raped and DEAD, the choice should simple and unequivocally be the former.

Of course the fact that she's alive makes it better. It doesn't make it better in the sense of easing the pain of the rape itself, but the fact that it could have been worse.

Yeah, I agree. But the way you said it sounded as though you thought they should be thankful she's still alive, as though they're ungrateful. That they should overlook the fact she's been raped because, it's ok, she's alive. Perhaps I read you wrong, in which case I don't think we need to discuss this any further. We both agree that it's deplorable and I think they should both be left to rot in prison. And she's 12 weeks old.

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
I have to disagree with you there. I think if you took a poll of 100 people on the street, at least 85 of them would want the people to suffer.
Additionally, Syren didn't say she wanted them tortured, she merely was saying she wanted them to suffer, as in stay in jail for life.

I was the one who wanted them tortured.

Yes, and as I said, if you'd get satisfaction from suffering then you're in the mental realm of a criminal. Satisfaction is the key there. Nobody is saying you're wrong for hoping they get locked up for the rest of their lives and not giving a shit about them. Just the fact that if you openly admit to wanting someone to suffer and you would watch it, THEN it gets eye for eye. Which solves nothing.

Yes I know what she meant now Moose, she never said it. She said it after, which helps none. Now I know what she means, I agree with her. They should be locked away for life. Never disputed that, never will.

You want to see them tortured? You realise the contradiction? They probably wanted the same.

-AC

Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
I have to disagree with you there. I think if you took a poll of 100 people on the street, at least 85 of them would want the people to suffer.

ahh, but that is too simplified

for instance that can be translated as "85% of people would support state ordered torture" or even "85% of people here would enjoy watching them tortured"

as for me, if the question of such a poll would be "would you suddenly forget how to call 911 and turn a blind eye while the family of this child corners these pricks and tortures their sorry asses to death", then you can count me in

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
After all, we are after justice. Well, justice TO ME is them being locked away and not being able to do it again, which would be achieved.

-AC

Isn't justice a "just" punishment that befits the crime as opposed to locking someone up to prevent a similar crime?

Originally posted by Syren
We both agree that it's deplorable and I think they should both be left to rot in prison. And she's 12 weeks old.

So do I, what's the confusion?

Why did you cite her age? Yes it's disgusting, but at least she won't remember it. Again, I'm not saying we should overlook anything, but be thankful for small mercies once again.

-AC

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Isn't justice a "just" punishment that befits the crime as opposed to locking someone up to prevent a similar crime?

[edit] Why did I read "and be left to rot in Paris" and not "and be left to rot in prison"?

Originally posted by PVS
ahh, but that is too simplified

for instance that can be translated as "85% of people would support state ordered torture" or even "85% of people here would enjoy watching them tortured"

as for me, if the question of such a poll would be "would you suddenly forget how to call 911 and turn a blind eye while the family of this child corners these pricks and tortures their sorry asses to death", then you can count me in

I couldn't do that... I think maybe if I were closer to the child, or if something like that happened to someone in my family then I'd be the first to carve holes in their bodies. But to say I could happily look away while revenge is exacted on anyone guilty of such a crime would be a lie. I know that's probably a selfish point of view but for me to condone 'an eye for an eye' I'd have to be emotionally involved.