Originally posted by KharmaDog
Isn't justice a "just" punishment that befits the crime as opposed to locking someone up to prevent a similar crime?
You're asking me if justice should differ from crime to crime? (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
If that is what you meant, then no, not im my opinion. My goal would be to take these criminals off the streets and lock them up in prison to prevent it happening again. Personal feelings don't enter into it for me.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and as I said, if you'd get satisfaction from suffering then you're in the mental realm of a criminal. Satisfaction is the key there. Nobody is saying you're wrong for hoping they get locked up for the rest of their lives and not giving a shit about them. Just the fact that if you openly admit to wanting someone to suffer and you would watch it, THEN it gets eye for eye. Which solves nothing.Yes I know what she meant now Moose, she never said it. She said it after, which helps none. Now I know what she means, I agree with her. They should be locked away for life. Never disputed that, never will.
You want to see them tortured? You realise the contradiction? They probably wanted the same.
-AC
No, AC, as a parent, (which I am unsure of whether you are or not) my thoughts IMMEDIATELY turn to my own kids, and what I would feel if it were to happen to the criminals. I am fiercely protective and my initial response would be to do WHATEVER I could to harm them...physically, emotionally, psychologically. I would want them to feel on some level, the terror and pain that they inflicted upon a child. Having stepped back and taking a moment, torturing them is not the answer. I know, or have a fairly good idea of what they will be in for in prison, and that is satisfaction enough for me.
Originally posted by Syren
I couldn't do that... I think maybe if I were closer to the child, or if something like that happened to someone in my family then I'd be the first to carve holes in their bodies. But to say I could happily look away while revenge is exacted on anyone guilty of such a crime would be a lie. I know that's probably a selfish point of view but for me to condone 'an eye for an eye' I'd have to be emotionally involved.
i would take no part in it at all. but rather have the empathy to know that if god forbid i was in their shoes, i would demand the same justice. so, i wouldnt watch and salivate, but rather cover my ears and yell "LALALALALALA CANT HEAR ANYTHING LALALALA" and walk away
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So do I, what's the confusion?Why did you cite her age? Yes it's disgusting, but at least she won't remember it. Again, I'm not saying we should overlook anything, but be thankful for small mercies once again.
-AC
No confusion.
Because you got it wrong, no underlying reason. I'm thankful she won't remember it, but her parents will never forget.
Branching off from this slightly, how would you feel and what would you do if you were a parent and this happened to your child? Question to everyone.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why did I read "and be left to rot in Paris" and not "and be left to rot in prison"?
😂 Paris, that could work.
Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
No, AC, as a parent, (which I am unsure of whether you are or not) my thoughts IMMEDIATELY turn to my own kids, and what I would feel if it were to happen to the criminals. I am fiercely protective and my initial response would be to do WHATEVER I could to harm them...physically, emotionally, psychologically. I would want them to feel on some level, the terror and pain that they inflicted upon a child. Having stepped back and taking a moment, torturing them is not the answer. I know, or have a fairly good idea of what they will be in for in prison, and that is satisfaction enough for me.
Originally posted by Bardock42
well the actual idea is to make sure it doesn't happen again...the revenge thing is just an addition...[edit] Why did I read "and be left to rot in Paris" and not "and be left to rot in prison"?
I was always under the understanding that there was a punishment to be administered to fit the crime. Granted the intention to stop the crime is also considered, but isn't punishment a necessity?
Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
No, AC, as a parent, (which I am unsure of whether you are or not) my thoughts IMMEDIATELY turn to my own kids, and what I would feel if it were to happen to the criminals. I am fiercely protective and my initial response would be to do WHATEVER I could to harm them...physically, emotionally, psychologically. I would want them to feel on some level, the terror and pain that they inflicted upon a child. Having stepped back and taking a moment, torturing them is not the answer. I know, or have a fairly good idea of what they will be in for in prison, and that is satisfaction enough for me.
Exactly.
That's why it's flawed to say "Imagine if you were the parents!". Ok I will:
First off my mind would be completely irrational, my heart and emotions would be overtaking my brain and I'd be distraught.
Now appreciate that this isn't the best frame of mind in which to be deciding what the answer is.
-AC
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was always under the understanding that there was a punishment to be administered to fit the crime. Granted the intention to stop the crime is also considered, but isn't punishment a necessity?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're asking me if justice should differ from crime to crime? (Correct me if I'm wrong.)If that is what you meant, then no, not im my opinion. My goal would be to take these criminals off the streets and lock them up in prison to prevent it happening again. Personal feelings don't enter into it for me.
-AC
Justice is justice. I am talking about sentencing that is proportionate to the crime commited.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That punishment is not there for you to feel satisfaction. It's to prevent it to happen to society again.
I'm not saying it IS there for my satisfaction. I understand how laws work. I'm merely saying that as a parent, my FIRST reaction would be that I want them to suffer. End of story.
Additionally, if they are in prison, and I know what happens to child molestors in jail, then I CAN feel satisfaction, whether it was intended for me to feel it or not.
many of you are ignorant of the prison system with regards to sex offenders.
he's not going to 'oz' unfortunately. sorry, but thats reality:
Originally posted by PVS
but here's the kicker. he wont be thrown in with the general population as he would be immediately killed by the other inmates (even criminals have some sense of morality it would seem). no, he will more likely be thrown in a seperate prison with other sex offenders and live a not-as-hellish existance as any other criminal would.
just the way it is.
Originally posted by Syren
Because you got it wrong, no underlying reason. I'm thankful she won't remember it, but her parents will never forget.Branching off from this slightly, how would you feel and what would you do if you were a parent and this happened to your child? Question to everyone.
I got it wrong? She's 12 weeks? I must have mistyped it somewhere.
Her parents won't forget, no. Then it's up to them to be responsible and never, ever bring it up again isn't it? The worst thing they could do now is tell her later in life.
If it were me I'd want them locked up for life. That's enough for me. I say that with a clear mind because that's the best way to judge and that is how I feel. People make the mistake of saying, as I previously said to Moose, "Imagine if it were you!".
When you are traumatised you are in no fit state to be deciding what's best.
I also find it endlessly hilarious that you just made a suggestion that the man be castrated.
-AC
Originally posted by ~Da Moose~
I'm not saying it IS there for my satisfaction. I understand how laws work. I'm merely saying that as a parent, my FIRST reaction would be that I want them to suffer. End of story.Additionally, if they are in prison, and I know what happens to child molestors in jail, then I CAN feel satisfaction, whether it was intended for me to feel it or not.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Justice is justice. I am talking about sentencing that is proportionate to the crime commited.
5 years is too short, in my opinion. In this case anyway.
PVS: If I might ask, what's the point you're making about his prison location? He won't be able to molest kids anymore. Surely that's all that matters.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly.That's why it's flawed to say "Imagine if you were the parents!". Ok I will:
First off my mind would be completely irrational, my heart and emotions would be overtaking my brain and I'd be distraught.
Now appreciate that this isn't the best frame of mind in which to be deciding what the answer is.
-AC
Absolutely.
When I first read this, my children's faces were in my mind...and I felt myself begin to become tense and I wanted these sick freaks to be drawn and quartered...but I realize that what they have to deal with for the rest of their lives, and in some minds, afterwards, is far worse than anything I could EVER do to them.
Originally posted by PVS
many of you are ignorant of the prison system with regards to sex offenders.
he's not going to 'oz' unfortunately. sorry, but thats reality:just the way it is.