Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Don't get me wrong, I wish for a peaceful and happy world, with lots of flowers and bunnies... But unfortunately... Shit ain't like that!
So yeah, I would toss every rapist bastard in my trusty grinder if I got the chance, beats the hell out of your over-tolerant ignorant point of view
What about when you get it wrong and someone innocent is "ground".
Foolish!
I can relate to that opinion, but please observe this piece of irony: supporting a prisoner's sentence comes with an average price-tag of 300 bucks A DAY! The money required for this is drawn from public taxes. And so the relatives/parents/ what ever, of the victim of a criminal contribute to the criminal's wellbeing and support.
How would you feel about knowing that the bastard that hurt a loved one is surviving partially because of your money?
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
I can relate to that opinion, but please observe this piece of irony: supporting a prisoner's sentence comes with an average price-tag of 300 bucks A DAY! The money required for this is drawn from public taxes. And so the relatives/parents/ what ever, of the victim of a criminal contribute to the criminal's wellbeing and support.
How would you feel about knowing that the bastard that hurt a loved one is surviving partially because of your money?
If you're willing to b*tch because justice for the wicked and evil comes a a superficial price, then you have no relevant opinion on the subject.
"We want justice! BUT AT A REASONABLE PRICE!"
Get out of here man, you want your own selfish satisfaction and nothing more. The money and vengeance argument never holds water, leave it at shore.
-AC
You misinterpreted me. I never called for justice in exchange of a reasonable price, it should be dished out in the right price.
I do not vote for the death of criminals for my own pleasure, I do so because I know the world will be better of without them.
I know I seem blunt in my votes, but you should reconsider your own posts before judging me on this matter
Originally posted by Syren
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stmFirst of all, initial reactions to this? I was so horrified I found it very difficult to believe that it happened. A 12-week old baby? I couldn't see it as even possible...
The worst thing is, French is due to serve only 5 years in a young offender's institute because, basically, she was 'led astray'. I'm sorry, but partaking in petty crime, smoking underage, stealing your parents' alcohol and topping it up with water, these things can be considered a part of someone being led astray. But this woman isn't a child and as far as I am concerned it takes a lot more than a 'please, it'll be fun' from a boyfriend to make someone participate in such a hideous act.
What do you think? I'm not even going to ask if you think the sentences are too light. Of course they are.
there are some sick ass ppl in this world
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
You misinterpreted me. I never called for justice in exchange of a reasonable price, it should be dished out in the right price.
Read that back, go on.
My point is, justice may not come at the right price, but if we can achieve justice then you should stop being so selfish as to whine about it and go for the greater good.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
I do not vote for the death of criminals for my own pleasure, I do so because I know the world will be better of without them.
I know I seem blunt in my votes, but you should reconsider your own posts before judging me on this matter
I never get that, it's possibly the most pathetic notion anyone can utter.
"The world would be better with them gone."
If a murderer died five minutes ago, did you achieve some kind of new sense of wellbeing? Did the world feel better? No.
What do you mean I should reconsider? You're saying you'd love the idea of people being fed into a meat grinder. There's not a whole lot of yellow tape and grey area there.
-AC
AC, he's not saying he would be happier in himself if these people were erased from the world. It doesn't make me smile to think of that rapist being castrated. I wouldn't stand by, watch, laugh and clap my hands in ecstasy if it happened. The only thing Pandemoniac and I are doing is stating our belief in justice with a little more passion than you. It's all well and good you saying you're all for a decent justice system, but the fact is, we don't have one. The current punishments definitely do not fit the crimes and this is fact.
The child-rapist should be castrated. An eye for an eye.
Welcome to another episode of Syren Misses AC's Points. Will she ever bother to read first? WHO KNOWS?! Tune in next week, or alternatively, never tune in again because it's the same episode every time.
Seriously though, I have always said without fail that we don't have a perfect justice system. I've also said that we have to use what we have. Not completely skip what we have and what DOES work in favour of brutal, eye for an eye stupidity, which is exactly what it is. Understand that.
You thinking that the man should have his genitals cut off just because he committed a crime is stupid. Your goal is to stop him doing it again, right? If not, it should be. Ergo the answer is locking him up, not cutting off his genitalia, no cock and bull story will make it any more justifiable. No pun intended.
You called someone a hypocrite just a second ago, ironic since you are actually a huge hypocrite yourself. You have persistantly suggested that you would, ideally, love a utopian world where everything is great, only to say that you believe in an eye for an eye. It completely contradicts everything you allegedly believe in. Ghandi said "An eye for an eye makes the world blind" and that's exactly right.
I don't believe anyone who sees a meat grinder as a way of finding justice has any relevant opinion on appreciating life and working toward a better world. If I could make a better world there'd be no meat grinder loving vigilantes in it.
-AC
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Why do you decorate your responses with jabs and insults? You always present a brilliant argument, you really don't need to humiliate someone to get your points across.
Anyway, I agree. A world without meat-grinder loving vigilantes would be great. I am not a meat-grinder loving vigilante. But I would prefer the world we live in to be devoid of people capable of raping a baby of 12 weeks. By the way, castrating him would not have to involve removing his genitalia. It would simply remove the option for him to ever have children.
Removal or destruction of the testicles or ovaries using radiation, surgery, or drugs. Medical castration refers to the use of drugs to suppress the function of the ovaries or testicles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; would a man capable of raping anyone make a decent father? What about this guy, who raped a 12 week old baby? I highly doubt it.
I would love a Utopian world, but we don't have one and we're not likely to get one. So why not clean up the shitty world we do live in by ridding ourselves of the scum who live here? I still see nothing wrong with this particular guy being wiped off the face of the planet. I don't care how it's done, I'd just rather not live in the knowledge that his accommodation/food/rehabilitation fees are being paid by the general public until he gets out in a couple of years and is free to do it all again.
Originally posted by Syren
😆Why do you decorate your responses with jabs and insults? You always present a brilliant argument, you really don't need to humiliate someone to get your points across.
The laugh smiley suggests you took it with humour as it was intended, so there was no need for the other stuff you just said. It was true, but also meant in humour.
Originally posted by Syren
Anyway, I agree. A world without meat-grinder loving vigilantes would be great. I am not a meat-grinder loving vigilante. But I would prefer the world we live in to be devoid of people capable of raping a baby of 12 weeks. By the way, castrating him would not have to involve removing his genitalia. It would simply remove the option for him to ever have children.
Oh how the sheer overwhelming nature of your act-first strategy astounds me.
On that last line:
How many men in human history have ever got pregnant? Answer: None. So therefore, putting him in prison would stop him having children wouldn't it? Regardless of if the system is good, great, shit or the worst it has ever been, he can't rape kids or have children in prison.
Unless of course you plan to just remove the functionality of his genitalia and release him back onto the streets, in which case he's probably pretty bitter that you "castrated" him and next time might step it up a notch, you know, by murdering a kid instead.
Think about these things Syren, think about these things.
Originally posted by Syren
:I've said it before and I'll say it again; would a man capable of raping anyone make a decent father? What about this guy, who raped a 12 week old baby? I highly doubt it.
I've said it...just now, and I'll say it again.
None of this is logical.
Originally posted by Syren
:I would love a Utopian world, but we don't have one and we're not likely to get one. So why not clean up the shitty world we do live in by ridding ourselves of the scum who live here? I still see nothing wrong with this particular guy being wiped off the face of the planet. I don't care how it's done, I'd just rather not live in the knowledge that his accommodation/food/rehabilitation fees are being paid by the general public until he gets out in a couple of years and is free to do it all again.
The fact of the matter is, the death penalty is useless and hypocritical. The other side is, why do you need to get rid of him entirely? Why not just remove him from society and stop him, oh let's say, committing the crime again? If he gets locked away, your daily life isn't going to be that much worse by knowing he's still alive.
You don't walk the streets now, every day, every second, minute and hour, thinking "Oh for f*ck's sake. Too many criminals everywhere, should be dead." do you? No.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The laugh smiley suggests you took it with humour as it was intended, so there was no need for the other stuff you just said. It was true, but also meant in humour.
Yes. I was just pointing out that issue I have with the way you react to people's posts. With the funnies and the 'ha ha, AC owned ***** again'.
Oh how the sheer overwhelming nature of your act-first strategy astounds me.On that last line:
How many men in human history have ever got pregnant? Answer: None. So therefore, putting him in prison would stop him having children wouldn't it? Regardless of if the system is good, great, shit or the worst it has ever been, he can't rape kids or have children in prison.
Unless of course you plan to just remove the functionality of his genitalia and release him back onto the streets, in which case he's probably pretty bitter that you "castrated" him and next time might step it up a notch, you know, by murdering a kid instead.
Think about these things Syren, think about these things.
Hang on, my point was that he's only going to prison for a very short time. In casting such a pathetic sentence on someone as vile and twisted as him, the powers that be have all but told him he's free to do whatever takes his fancy, to whoever he wants. As soon as he comes out he'll be off on his merry way again. But, upon reflection, I can very well see how castrating him would simply fuel whatever sickness drives him. So, yeah, castration wouldn't be the best course of action. I'll revert back to my initial reaction of killing him, then. Because I still don't want to pay for his incarceration fees.
The fact of the matter is, the death penalty is useless and hypocritical. The other side is, why do you need to get rid of him entirely? Why not just remove him from society and stop him, oh let's say, committing the crime again? If he gets locked away, your daily life isn't going to be that much worse by knowing he's still alive.You don't walk the streets now, every day, every second, minute and hour, thinking "Oh for f*ck's sake. Too many criminals everywhere, should be dead." do you? No.
-AC
I don't think the death penalty is useless and hypocritical at all. It's problematic because of all the times when a case isn't 100% closed and innocent people are killed to satisfy the need to have a scapegoat.
But in this case, this guy did it and he doesn't deserve to breathe.
Originally posted by Syren
Hang on, my point was that he's only going to prison for a very short time. In casting such a pathetic sentence on someone as vile and twisted as him, the powers that be have all but told him he's free to do whatever takes his fancy, to whoever he wants. As soon as he comes out he'll be off on his merry way again. But, upon reflection, I can very well see how castrating him would simply fuel whatever sickness drives him. So, yeah, castration wouldn't be the best course of action. I'll revert back to my initial reaction of killing him, then. Because I still don't want to pay for his incarceration fees.
So him not going to prison at all is better than him going and getting out? It's not a 100% guarantee he'll even survive prison and it's not a 100% guarantee he'll commit again. It's just a possibility, first of all.
Second, do you believe murder is wrong? I've reason to believe you do. Hence why believing in the death penalty is extremely hypocritical, and if you don't care that you are being hypocritical then that's a credibility destroyer right there.
Originally posted by Syren
I don't think the death penalty is useless and hypocritical at all. It's problematic because of all the times when a case isn't 100% closed and innocent people are killed to satisfy the need to have a scapegoat.But in this case, this guy did it and he doesn't deserve to breathe.
It's not hypocritical to say "Murder is wrong, so we're going to kill you"? Yes, it is. No debating that, it is actually hypocritical and needless.
I don't think you'd be saying that he deserves death if it was an older woman. Infact, in other rape threads you've never even hinted toward as much hatred as you have here, which sets off my child-worship radar. Which is another credibility destroyer.
What happened to eye for an eye? He hasn't killed, so by your rationale, he doesn't deserve to be killed.
You just don't know where you stand do you?
-AC
I feel a little more strongly because it was such a young child, I admit that. And I know you would consider that child worship, well, so be it. Children are defenceless, adults aren't. Children (especially 12 week old babies) don't get themselves into such situations, adults do. Children trust entirely and for someone to take advantage of that makes me sick to my stomach.
I apologise if I come across as hypocritical, I am confused by this subject and the way I feel about it. All I know is that this man does not deserve the sentence he received, he shouldn't be getting off as bloody lightly and the justice system hasn't proved itself capable of dishing out satisfactory punishment in this case. Another reason why I feel more strongly against the culprits on this occasion.
I'm sorry if I'm contradicting myself, but every single time I think about the whole thing I get angry.
Originally posted by Syren
I feel a little more strongly because it was such a young child, I admit that. And I know you would consider that child worship, well, so be it. Children are defenceless, adults aren't. Children (especially 12 week old babies) don't get themselves into such situations, adults do. Children trust entirely and for someone to take advantage of that makes me sick to my stomach.
Yeah, child worship. No respect for child worshippers or what they say, so I'll move onward swiftly.
First however, adults get themselves into such situations? Bit of a drastic call.
Originally posted by Syren
I apologise if I come across as hypocritical, I am confused by this subject and the way I feel about it. All I know is that this man does not deserve the sentence he received, he shouldn't be getting off as bloody lightly and the justice system hasn't proved itself capable of dishing out satisfactory punishment in this case. Another reason why I feel more strongly against the culprits on this occasion.I'm sorry if I'm contradicting myself, but every single time I think about the whole thing I get angry.
Exactly, so stop getting angry. What does it solve?
-AC