American Idol

Originally posted by Lana
MTV is shit. And shit like this IS ruining music and art as a whole. It makes talentless idiots think that they can become big, and because of it, the people who really ARE talented are often passed over and ignored, because anyone with real talent, self-respect, and integrity for their art will not whore themselves out like that.

thats because the media has already a set image of what they want. Look at Britney,Christina,Jessica. Thats what people "want". They don't look for real talent like what use to be played. Bands will never be as good as they use too. There is to much focus on image and not the talent

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
well then we wouldn't have any artist in the world.

All singers stick to their one style that they're good at.

Let me know when Eminem, starts singing country.

is it comprehensible.....

Haha, stupidest logic ever.

People who have talent, use their talent. Exactly. People with no talent still want to be seen as people with talent.

If all you can do is walk out of a singing school with the ability to do kareoke (which is all these "idols" do) and a voice that anyone could achieve in time, then don't think you're worthy of anything else.

-AC

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
thats because the media has already a set image of what they want. Look at Britney,Christina,Jessica. Thats what people "want". They don't look for real talent like what use to be played. Bands will never be as good as they use too. There is to much focus on image and not the talent

And that's not true either.

People who want shit, deserve shit.

However there are many people who want good music by talented musicians....and believe it or not, they still exist. You might just actually have to work to find it, as opposed to having it handed to you.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
thats because the media has already a set image of what they want. Look at Britney,Christina,Jessica. Thats what people "want". They don't look for real talent like what use to be played. Bands will never be as good as they use too. There is to much focus on image and not the talent

False, that's where MTV is influencing you too.

"Bands will never be as good as they used to."

They are, actually. You're just not aware of them because you know no better, this is exactly what American Idol and MTV are doing. Keeping you glued to your TV in the belief that the people you see on there are all there is. That's as far from the truth as you can get.

Point proven again.

-AC

yall just think you know everything about everything and everyone and you don't.

All you can do is state your opinions about yourselves, no one else.

And Raven wasn't referring to your opinions themselves, just your opinions that speak for other people.

is it comprehensible......

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
False, that's where MTV is influencing you too.

"Bands will never be as good as they used to."

They are, actually. You're just not aware of them because you know no better, this is exactly what American Idol and MTV are doing. Keeping you glued to your TV in the belief that the people you see on there are all there is. That's as far from the truth as you can get.

Point proven again.

-AC

Funny, when Raven speaks for a large number of people, it's wrong and only her/him.

But when you do it, it's so accurate and END OF DEBATE. Your famous phrase.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
yall just think you know everything about everything and everyone and you don't.

All you can do is state your opinions about yourselves, no one else.

And Raven wasn't referring to your opinions themselves, just your opinions that speak for other people.

is it comprehensible......

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Funny, when Raven speaks for a large number of people, it's wrong and only her/him.

But when you do it, it's so accurate and END OF DEBATE. Your famous phrase.

is it comprehensible.....

I'm not speaking for anyone else, I've said this to you. What I have said in this thread regarding the show however, is true, whether you like it or not. It's not true because I've said it, it's true because it's fact. If you would like to go research this then you'll find that for yourself.

I don't know everything about everyone, nor have I claimed I did, but we're discussing music. I know some stuff about music, some stuff indeed (that's a big understatement), so I'm more than qualified to speak on it and I have exercised my right to do so.

Stop whining and bitching, counter my argument if you can. Because at the moment all you are doing is sitting there moaning that I'm saying things.

-AC

And on the 7th day God created Hypocrites 😖hifty:

I just realised that you're Twister from the CandVG Forum. Odd.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I just realised that you're Twister from the CandVG Forum. Odd.

-AC

yup

testing the water in this thread. Prooving this other guy that said it is not hostile in here wrong.

Not hostile to me, I just find it kind of funny that despite my saying that I'm not speaking for anyone or saying that anyone is wrong for watching the show, they still claim I'm saying such things.

Watch the show all you want, but don't try to deny what it is to save your face. You've chosen to watch it, the honourable thing to do would be to admit that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not speaking for anyone else

yes you are.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
yes you are.

is it comprehensible.....

Hahaha, so lame.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not speaking for anyone else

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
yes you are.

Hahaha.

That is genuinely amusing.

Well so far I read ************* and thats why ************ but I am not ******8 damn shit f*ck ***** well you know. Not hostile well I say the tone is a little implying . keep going droolio guys

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanks for referring to me as God, I have yet to do it myself but I appreciate it. You don't like people giving opinions besides you, you're a hypocrite in that area.

On the second part, that's my point. It's not JUST American Idol but it IS included. My only point was that it's absolutely shit, pointless and it's demeaning to music and musicians with talent. Fact. Nobody on there has any natural, unattainable and genuine talent, at all.

Just because there's already a lot of ideas and shows out there that are detrimental to music, it isn't a green light to go ahead and make more is it? No.

-AC

well you can be a bit opinionated your self.

out of all the people that try out, its untrue to say they all don't natural talent. I am very sure that out of 10,000 some people there is bound to be someone with natural talent. They don't show everyone that tries out.

hey, as long producers can make money from something. There gonna do anyway no matter who if offends.

Originally posted by Lana
And that's not true either.

People who want shit, deserve shit.

However there are many people who want good music by talented musicians....and believe it or not, they still exist. You might just actually have to work to find it, as opposed to having it handed to you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
False, that's where MTV is influencing you too.

"Bands will never be as good as they used to."

They are, actually. You're just not aware of them because you know no better, this is exactly what American Idol and MTV are doing. Keeping you glued to your TV in the belief that the people you see on there are all there is. That's as far from the truth as you can get.

Point proven again.

-AC

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Well so far I read ************* and thats why ************ but I am not ******8 damn shit f*ck ***** well you know. Not hostile well I say the tone is a little implying . keep going droolio guys

If you are willing to share how you get tone from text, I'll listen to your theories. I've not been abusive, I don't regard this as hostile.

-AC

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
well you can be a bit opinionated your self.

out of all the people that try out, its untrue to say they all don't natural talent. I am very sure that out of 10,000 some people there is bound to be someone with natural talent. They don't show everyone that tries out.

hey, as long producers can make money from something. There gonna do anyway no matter who if offends.

I didn't say good musician's didn't work hard. I said producers try to hard to please an image.

Because truthfully they wont be. I am not influenced by TV, American Idol or lana and your "know it all knowledge" 🙄. Bands are not made like they use to be. There just not. And they wont be if people keep focusing on looks or image. These days its just all about the image. Main stream music well never be great.

You are displaying nothing but ignorance here.

There are a great many bands now that are just as good as and in some cases better than older ones. There ARE good bands in the mainstream, ones who are truly talented and don't care about image.

Don't try and feed crap like that to people who are more knowledgable in a subject. It doesn't work.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you are willing to share how you get tone from text, I'll listen to your theories. I've not been abusive, I don't regard this as hostile.

-AC

Sorry to defy you, you are right 😮

Originally posted by Lana
You are displaying nothing but ignorance here.

There are a great many bands now that are just as good as and in some cases better than older ones. There ARE good bands in the mainstream, ones who are truly talented and don't care about image.

Don't try and feed crap like that to people who are more knowledgable in a subject. It doesn't work.

is it comprehensible.....