What do you think a machine is!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Perhaps you should note the question mark.

To say otherwise is silly? You honestly believe that at some point, man-made machines will be equal to us in terms of being able to perceive and endure emotions? Yes or no.

The mere fact that they are man-made and have to be made by man to exist, proves it wrong.

Whirly himself is the one saying that machines will end up equalling or surpassing human beings in that sense. He's not saying it might, he's saying it will based on current information, which he has got wrong anyway.

-AC

yup and something to think about is that all those emotions humans have MANY of them are learned. All emotions are "man-made" machines can "evolve" faster then humans so to think it out of the question that they become indepenant of humans shows a lack of forsight.

Originally posted by soleran30
yup and something to think about is that all those emotions humans have MANY of them are learned. All emotions are "man-made" machines can "evolve" faster then humans so to think it out of the question that they become indepenant of humans shows a lack of forsight.

Oh talk about being anal. They're not "man-made" as in constructed from materials created and/or manipulated by man in a factory.

You're overlooking the fact that as it stands (because the present is what we live in) machines don't have any means of appreciating things like we do.

They can't feel sadness or happiness etc. For them to achieve this, lots of other things must happen on the way to them reaching the stage. Moreover, I seriously doubt humans are ever going to jeopardise their role as the dominant species here. That said, as I said before, until machines are a self-sustaining independent race and show signs that they are able to be one of themselves and without human aid, then I'll consider it.

-AC

Well, I guess yu could say that humans are rather complicated machines. that is if you don't use a definition that includes "man-made".

Yeah well, I did say that.

I think it's all descended into longshot speculation and hyperbole now really. I'll believe it when I see it, in short.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah well, I did say that.

I think it's all descended into longshot speculation and hyperbole now really. I'll believe it when I see it, in short.

-AC

AC saying can't is equally as short sighted!

Emotions are pobably only Memes anyway as I stated 6 pages back.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
AC saying can't is equally as short sighted!

Yes, you think I'm short sighted, I get it. Perhaps you might say it 15 more times, I'm not sure I got it the other 20 times.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, you think I'm short sighted, I get it. Perhaps you might say it 15 more times, I'm not sure I got it the other 20 times.

-AC

😖hifty: Just checking 😉 actually I think the difference in our positions is due to your belief in life being more special than just simple chemistry and physics combining to form biology. - But I said that earlier also. I am bored with this thread it's going nowhere. Out of interest as a guy into spiritulism with a small "s" I know your into Gaea theories etc, don't you just see the singularity as an natural extension of this? I do.

Into Gaia theories? No I'm not.

Being spiritual doesn't mean there are certain theories and views you conform to. My beliefs are spiritual in nature but that doesn't mean I restrict myself. Either way, this isn't the thread for it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Into Gaia theories? No I'm not.

Being spiritual doesn't mean there are certain theories and views you conform to. My beliefs are spiritual in nature but that doesn't mean I restrict myself. Either way, this isn't the thread for it.

-AC

I thought you were from a previous post, where you discussed collective conciosness, my mistake. Anyway thats me out of this thread everything has been said. People who are Science majors or Science Graduates seem to agree with me. The more spiritual based people seem to agree with you. I would say we have reached an impasse. I respect your opinion anyway and you may prove to be right in the long term, as may I. My final point is only time will tell. A cliche but in the end a final truth.

😉 SWS

(|)--this was and still IS the most advanced mecha ever. We f it-grow in it-get out from it. Lovable machas!

Us humans make machines for them to perform tasks that otherwise would have been done by us humans or other animals. We have a wide array of tech nowadays that can produce machines that are far better at any of these jobs than a human or animal will ever be. Still we do tend to compare the machines with their organic predecessors and most of all, the machines are based on them, only far more specificly engineered to the task they are appointed to. The relation and similarities between machines and organics is obvious as the latter is based on and inspired by the first. In some advanced cases as those that exist today, the difference can be hard to tell when observing the behaviour and capabilities of both.

lever, wedge, pulley, etc. Simple machines. Kinda like a lot of people I've known.