Originally posted by Silent Master
We have been over this multiple times in the last 172 pages...Cap has comparable skill and is faster, stronger, more durable and has better agility.Cap wins.
Yet in Comics Batman beats stronger and tougher opponents without much trouble. He still knows more techniques, is a lot smarter and know pressure points. In Comics he already won once against CA. But even in the one official it was more or less a stalemate.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
No Batman is an aim dodger, Cap is a solid tier faster in both reaction time and full body agilityBy comics do you mean your opinion?
That's a solid stance, Batman wins because H1 logic dictates that physically weaker individuals have a 50/50 chance against stronger opponents, you must be a phenomenal gambler...
Ok, you keep saying Bruce is faster despite the fact both Cass and Dick are both quicker opponents, do you think nightwing >> Cap in speed?
Batman has batted bullets away easily. How quick is that?
Batman has aimed dodged (so you say) tens of thousands of bullets. How quick is that?
If you read my posts you would have saw I gave Cap 6.5/10 against Batman (not 50/50).
Strength is almost meaningless in this fight since Batman can hit as hard as Cap.
Agility is meaningless, no one is going to be flipping through the air or doing cartwheels (that would be suicide). This will be a chess match, the fight will have plenty of ducking, parrying, blocking, etc. Any mistakes will most likely capitalized on. And both characters are not immune to mistakes (that's why Batman has a chance).
Originally posted by Silent Master
We have been over this multiple times in the last 172 pages...Cap has comparable skill and is faster, stronger, more durable and has better agility.Cap wins.
Cap is not faster. Batman has batted multiple bullets away. Thus he can largely defend against Cap's attacks well. Cap is stronger but Batman can hit as hard as him (or close to it). Cap is more durable but not by a margin where Batman's attacks won't do signifcant damage (if landed well).
Bottomline: Due to Cap's advantages he wins 6.5/10 against Bruce. But both are capable of making mistakes and Batman can win some.
But there is an argument for Batman winning against Cap. Bruce can utilize his pressure point techniques in counter attacks or some other exotic techniques to counter Cap. Batman can also play the 'come a here my darling and let me snare you' game.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
No Batman is an aim dodger, Cap is a solid tier faster in both reaction time and full body agilityBy comics do you mean your opinion?
That's a solid stance, Batman wins because H1 logic dictates that physically weaker individuals have a 50/50 chance against stronger opponents, you must be a phenomenal gambler...
Ok, you keep saying Bruce is faster despite the fact both Cass and Dick are both quicker opponents, do you think nightwing >> Cap in speed?
Batman has batted bullets away easily. How quick is that?
Batman has aimed dodged (so you say) tens of thousands of bullets. How quick is that?
If you read my posts you would have saw I gave Cap 6.5/10 against Batman (not 50/50).
Strength is almost meaningless in this fight since Batman can hit as hard as Cap.
Agility is meaningless, no one is going to be flipping through the air or doing cartwheels (that would be suicide). This will be a chess match, the fight will have plenty of ducking, parrying, blocking, etc. Any mistakes will most likely capitalized on. And both characters are not immune to mistakes (that's why Batman has a chance).
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yet in Comics Batman beats stronger and tougher opponents without much trouble. He still knows more techniques, is a lot smarter and know pressure points. In Comics he already won once against CA. But even in the one official it was more or less a stalemate.
Since you want use crossovers, in JLA/Avengers...Batman basically said that Cap was more skilled.
I can repost where Kurt stated this when asked about the scene.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you want use crossovers, in JLA/Avengers...Batman basically said that Cap was more skilled.I can repost where Kurt stated this when asked about the scene.
Actually, no. Batman beat him with reason, he was the only one with a sane mind there. He just said that CA COULD beat him (which is not wrong since the chances are 50-50) but it would take him a very long time (because Batman knows more techniques and fought stronger foes he could predict the possible outcomes of this battle). He never said "You are more skilled" that's BS.
If two peers fight, each one of them knows the other one could beat them, though if they are evently matched it would be a very long fight. CA being stronger and faster, Batman knowing more MA techs, being a LOT smarter and having the better agility, is what makes them equals. CA with his Shield and Batman with his Belt would be a different story, where I'm leaning towards Bats.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Chuckg
Don't you think Batman should be able to defeat Captain America by using his leopard blow?kurtbusiek
[b]No, not particularly.Chuckg
That really should be interpreted that Batman thinks he'd beat Cap, doesn't it, since Batman is the far more skilled fighter?kurtbusiek
You can interpret it how you like, but my intent was that Batman was noting that Cap is the more skilled.kdb
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=39153878&start=0&tstart=0
It's from page 45 [/B]
Originally posted by h1a8
Batman has batted bullets away easily. How quick is that?
Batman has aimed dodged (so you say) tens of thousands of bullets. How quick is that?If you read my posts you would have saw I gave Cap 6.5/10 against Batman (not 50/50).
Strength is almost meaningless in this fight since Batman can hit as hard as Cap.
Agility is meaningless, no one is going to be flipping through the air or doing cartwheels (that would be suicide). This will be a chess match, the fight will have plenty of ducking, parrying, blocking, etc. Any mistakes will most likely capitalized on. And both characters are not immune to mistakes (that's why Batman has a chance).
Ok, 65/45 odds still a terrible line of reasoning
Stength isn't meaningless in a fight, I don't mean to insult your manhood but have you been in a fight? Even if you believe that Batman can use striking technique to make up for the gap, he really has no defence against grapple techniques as both power and leverage are on steves side.
Cap has a superpower to fall back on aswell in the fight, he dosent tire, Bruce does....
Full gear I can see the bat arguement, but without an equilizer this isn't a fair fight
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Actually, no. Batman beat him with reason, he was the only one with a sane mind there. He just said that CA COULD beat him (which is not wrong since the chances are 50-50) but it would take him a very long time (because Batman knows more techniques and fought stronger foes he could predict the possible outcomes of this battle). He never said "You are more skilled" that's BS.If two peers fight, each one of them knows the other one could beat them, though if they are evently matched it would be a very long fight. CA being stronger and faster, Batman knowing more MA techs, being a LOT smarter and having the better agility, is what makes them equals. CA with his Shield and Batman with his Belt would be a different story, where I'm leaning towards Bats.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBatman is more skilled, may be even by a considerable margin. Since he's shown higher mastery and higher level martian arts techniques. Dick stated that Bruce knows every pressure point [Cap doesn't] Batman is also the only person I've seen in either Marvel or DC who can reverse pressure points like he did with Damian and Green Arrow.
Actually, no. Batman beat him with reason, he was the only one with a sane mind there. He just said that CA COULD beat him (which is not wrong since the chances are 50-50) but it would take him a very long time (because Batman knows more techniques and fought stronger foes he could predict the possible outcomes of this battle). He never said "You are more skilled" that's BS.If two peers fight, each one of them knows the other one could beat them, though if they are evently matched it would be a very long fight. CA being stronger and faster, Batman knowing more MA techs, being a LOT smarter and having the better agility, is what makes them equals. CA with his Shield and Batman with his Belt would be a different story, where I'm leaning towards Bats.
Cap has mad skills too though, don't get me wrong, but a vast majority of the human fighters he combats, he physically outclasses. Daredevil, Crossbones, Batroc, Taskmaster, Winter Soldier, Zemo, Red Skull, etc etc of course that isn't to say he doesn't fight characters that physically outclass him, he did beat U.S. Agent who's stronger and is decently skilled himself.
But Bruce consistently fights characters like Bane, Shiva, Deathstroke, Prometheus, Wrath, Ziess, Sensei, characters that can have superior or at least comparable physical stats on top of skill.
It's a split IMO. Batman's skill and intellect advantage would balance out Cap's physical advantage. Epic fight indeed.
Originally posted by pym-ftwCaptain America does tire, in his original volume he admitted he was exhausted when he was fighting Nick Fury in his shield suit
Batman is't fast enough to dodge a bullet, he aim dodged, no matter how fast the gun shoots he is just out pacing the shooter himself/herselfOk, 65/45 odds still a terrible line of reasoning
Stength isn't meaningless in a fight, I don't mean to insult your manhood but have you been in a fight? Even if you believe that Batman can use striking technique to make up for the gap, he really has no defence against grapple techniques as both power and leverage are on steves side.
Cap has a superpower to fall back on aswell in the fight, he dosent tire, Bruce does....
Full gear I can see the bat arguement, but without an equilizer this isn't a fair fight
And considering that Bruce has punched bullets out of the air your aim dodging statement doesn't hold up.
Originally posted by Mihsnme
Captain America does tire, in his original volume he admitted he was exhausted when he was fighting Nick Fury in his LMDAnd considering that Bruce has punched bullets out of the air your aim dodging statement doesn't hold up.
I explained in my previous post that Cap doesn't tire, at a rate that Bruce can exploit.
Yes, he is blocking bullets, if he was dodging bullets AFTER it fires he would be a bullet dodger.
Originally posted by pym-ftwCaptain America does tire. You said he doesn't, you were wrong
Calm down sock,I explained in my previous post that Cap doesn't tire, at a rate that Bruce can exploit.
Yes, he is blocking bullets, if he was dodging bullets AFTER it fires.
Deflecting bullets is harder than dodging them, there's no such thing as aim blocking or deflecting, if Bruce were to simply hold his hand in front of where he thinks the bullets would travel, it would end up blowing a hole in his hand lol. You have to hit it at an angle to knock it off trajectory which would take bullet speed.
and I've seen at least 2 or 3 instances of Bruce dodging them after they were fired also.
Don't get mad at me because you're wrong.
Originally posted by Mihsnme
Captain America does tire. You said he doesn't, you were wrongDeflecting bullets is harder than dodging them, there's no such thing as aim blocking or deflecting, if Bruce were to simply hold his hand in front of where he thinks the bullets would travel, it would end up blowing a hole in his hand lol.
and I've seen at least 2 or 3 instances of Bruce dodging them after they were fired also.
Don't get mad at me because you're wrong.
Bunting vs hitting in baseball; infact please post a scan of Batman punching bullets out of the air without his armor
Averages sock, read the forum rules
Originally posted by pym-ftwThen you should have said he doesn't tire. You should of said he doesn't tire at the rate Bruce does [even though that's not really true either]
No you just didn't read my earlier postBunting vs hitting in baseball; infact please post a scan of Batman punching bullets out of the air without his armor
Averages sock, read the forum rules
Bruce didn't bunt a bullet, he knocked it off trajectory.
Bruce's gloves aren't bullet proof. Only the reaves on his gauntlet are
It won't let me post scans but one instance was in Batman Confidential 33
Don't get mad at me because you're wrong.
Originally posted by abhilegendAgreed, Captain America has never beaten someone of Bruce's caliber let alone easily. Freaking Crossbones has nearly beaten Cap and he's no where near Bruce's level physically or in terms of skill.
Batman is more skilled, cap is stronger but nothing bruce can't deal with. Anybody thinking this as spite is out of their mind.
I do notice from Pym ftw that people on this site get mad alot when they get proven wrong. Not a very good trait