^ Ok? Cap has feats of dancing through an entire Avengers roster and embarrassing Hulk.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/CapvHulkRobot01.jpg
Granted, that is a Hulk robot. But that Hulk robot was powered by an actual Hulk heart collected/installed by Kang. And that Hulk robot did topple Thor and smack around the entire Avengers roster (including Cap via a gas tanker explosion AoE attack in the next page after that scan).
Even if Batman has more high-end feats -- which makes sense given he sometimes has 2-4 solo ongoings at any given time along w/ team books -- just account for the ratio given appearances.
Cap has less appearances, but I'd argue is far better protected. Steve dlesno really have a comparable low, like Batmans loss to Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke.
PIS I can deal with, but when Marvel won't outrght claim he's the very pinnacle of hand to hand, yet no man on Earth can one up Steve Rogers in hand to hand, including specialists like Shang Chi, he looks like Vin Diesel with "Can not lose" written into his contract.
Basically admitting to a personal bias, I usually back underdogs. 😚
But really, I think it's about even money. Bruce has better skill, Steve has better stats, neither are strangers to facing that.
Ah thanks for reminding me Stilt. T'challa is actually treated like a peer to Steve in combat. I think he's about the only one (Fisk does not count).
And yet T'challa has suffered defeats or been one upped, whereas Steve has not.
This only further prove Steve is protected by Marvel, far more then DC protects Batman (Batman admits to struggling against Shiva, who does Steve admit to strugging with? Steve Rogers is Hulk Hogan with a creative control clause.)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Hey, mang. One fight's deep underwater. The other is not. The difference can be night and day. Also, I don't recognize the last scan. What issue #?
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Avengers Vs Namor:
https://i.postimg.cc/75VWyGFn/RCO014.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/K1FHVrHY/RCO015.jpg
Cap Vs Namor:
https://i.postimg.cc/qMFdBPKk/RCO020-1557328955.jpg
Originally posted by cdtmIf that's comics, why would you hold that against Steve, tho?
Cap has less appearances, but I'd argue is far better protected. Steve dlesno really have a comparable low, like Batmans loss to Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke.PIS I can deal with, but when Marvel won't outrght claim he's the very pinnacle of hand to hand, yet no man on Earth can one up Steve Rogers in hand to hand, including specialists like Shang Chi, he looks like Vin Diesel with "Can not lose" written into his contract.
Basically admitting to a personal bias, I usually back underdogs. 😚
But really, I think it's about even money. Bruce has better skill, Steve has better stats, neither are strangers to facing that.
Steve Rogers has lost fights. A lot of fights.
Batman's an underdog?
I get that Bruce is no stranger to fighting those with better stats. How many characters do you think exceed Steve's skills?
Originally posted by ODG
Hey, mang. One fight's deep underwater. The other is not. The difference can be night and day. Also, I don't recognize the last scan. What issue #? If that's comics, why would you hold that against Steve, tho?Steve Rogers has lost fights. A lot of fights.
Batman's an underdog?
I get that Bruce is no stranger to fighting those with better stats. How many characters do you think exceed Steve's skills?
Not a lot. Same as Batman, not a lot, but some stand out. Shang Chi is definitely one of them. He's Bruce Lee for crying out loud.
Off the top of my head Elektra, Widow, maybe Danny on a good day (Ironically Christopher Priest wrote one of the most skilled Iron Fist's, yet is mostly known as the Black Panther guy)
But I'll return the question and flip it, do examples exist of Steve being straight up outfought? Ever?
Not by a trick like Matt's radar or Magneto jacking the shield, just straight hand to hand.
Originally posted by cdtmBruh, that was your premise for giving this an even 5/10 split btw the two. Batman's more skilled, Cap's better physical stats. But both are no stranger to fighting the converse.
But I'll return the question and flip it, do examples exist of Steve being straight up outfought? Ever?Not by a trick like Matt's radar or Magneto jacking the shield, just straight hand to hand.
So you tell me how many fights Cap's lost due to being outfought out of pure skill.
Originally posted by ODG
Bruh, that was your premise for giving this an even 5/10 split btw the two. Batman's more skilled, Cap's better physical stats. But both are no stranger to fighting the converse.So you tell me how many fights Cap's lost due to being outfought out of pure skill.
Far as I know, none.
Because of politics. Marvel protects Cap from ever losing to raw skill.
Originally posted by ODG
Hey, mang. One fight's deep underwater. The other is not. The difference can be night and day. Also, I don't recognize the last scan. What issue #? If that's comics, why would you hold that against Steve, tho?Steve Rogers has lost fights. A lot of fights.
Batman's an underdog?
I get that Bruce is no stranger to fighting those with better stats. How many characters do you think exceed Steve's skills?
I mean....going from casually palming Thor/IM and noselling Cap M, then having an enraged She Hulk trying it on, to a punch from Cap (not even with the shield, but his fist)? That's a massive leap, to me.
It's from.....Invaders #something. #2? #3? Something like that.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Idiot.
Yeah, it should be easy to refute my point then.
Marvel protects Cap, fact. Even SUPERMAN has legitimate losses in DC, he isn't written as "unbeatable:.
Cap IS. Completely.Unbeatable.
Unless you cheat. He's like Hulk Hogan to them, you can't beat him in a contest of raw skill not because he's the best, but because they want to keep the fanboys happy.
And keep your Kingpin vs Cap, Fisk is a ringer. He wasn't out skilling Cap there.
Originally posted by cdtm😕
Far as I know, none.Because of politics. Marvel protects Cap from ever losing to raw skill.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85How have I never read these issues before??? Anyway, it's Invaders #5.
I mean....going from casually palming Thor/IM and noselling Cap M, then having an enraged She Hulk trying it on, to a punch from Cap (not even with the shield, but his fist)? That's a massive leap, to me.It's from.....Invaders #something. #2? #3? Something like that.
Originally posted by Smurph
Your conspiracy theories about the motivations for the showings do not matter.Showings are showings, feats are feats, and sometimes "auras" amount to bona fide powersets.
In other words, Cap's history speaks for itself.
It's relevant to PIS.
And surely you've been around the bend enough to know this isn't my theory, Cap being a walking PIS machines is well worn territory.
My favorite was a Juggernaut fan named Cain Marco on Alvaro's boards, who coined the term "Cap Factor", and outlined such examples as Spidey likening a Cap punch to an atom bomb (Ridiculous comparison when his rogues gallery includes class 15-50 characters on average, topping off at cl100)
It was a comprehensive list of his speed, strength, skill being loudly praised by everyone and anyone, who have seen far superior to Cap.
Imagine if Superman called a right hook from Batman, "I've NEVER been hit this hard!"
Same thing.
I mean, look at that. Spidey's taken a full on Iron Fist before, been grazed by Hulk.
PIS man.
