Superman vs. Count Nefaria

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
True, but the Fantastic Four issues where he is able to amp his speed to move with Reed, Thor and everyone (who were using tech to move that fast. And they also comment that they've been working for 2 weeks and nothing else appears to have moved at all) backs up the fact that pretty much no one from Earth should be able to touch Glads, and that he could majorly speed blitz most opponents if he utilized his speed.

Agreed...

When Thor saw Gladiator's speed in the series where they fought the Black Celestial, he said of him, "Gladiator's power doth begger description". Thor was awed..

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, but Superman can do the same thing.
I'm not saying he's not fast, I'm saying he's not 100x lightspeed consistantly or even anything close to consistantly..It was a one shot feat.

I spoke on this...

Originally posted by superman420sexy
100x lighspeed is stupid for a character like gladiator

????

Originally posted by unknowable
I hear that, but then you should know that immediately before that he was chasing Skrulls through Hyper-Space, where one must travel faster than light to enter, was it 100x the speed of light or more? Who knows, but he definately can achieve faster than light speeds consistantly, as he's shown many times, even his bio says he has warp speed.

But the interesting thing that you posted was that it was a powered up moment,
I see it as a powered down moment, after all, he had just come out of Hyper Space, "unaided, without ship or guidance system" then contains an explosion that would have annihilated half the Solar System, and then zooms to earth at 100x the speed of light,

Look at what he did before performing that feat(100x speed of light), now think if he can't pull that off on any day at optimal condition.

The forum takes consistant writing as debatable material. High end feats or nice, but only when they're supported by other feats of equal calibre. If we all of a sudden saw Aquaman breaking the time barrier by running on his feet, then knocking over a skyscraper with his bare hands and swinging it at someone, I'm sure it would be questioned as well.

Originally posted by Juntai
Did you consider the whole issue being a powered up moment? He's not consistantly that strong or fast. This guy had major trouble toppling Collosus in the Pheonix Saga.
His one comic of uberness was probably cool to all his fanboys, but to the rest of us, it is surely a one time powerup. He's not at all consistantly that strong or fast as he was in that comic.

I try not to use the 100c speed feat for Glads all the time, just because like you said, it's not consistant with his other showings. Nonetheless, it did happen, therefore he has the potential to do it again.

Originally posted by Juntai
Did you consider the whole issue being a powered up moment? He's not consistantly that strong or fast. This guy had major trouble toppling Collosus in the Pheonix Saga.
His one comic of uberness was probably cool to all his fanboys, but to the rest of us, it is surely a one time powerup. He's not at all consistantly that strong or fast as he was in that comic.

The forum takes consistant writing as debatable material. High end feats or nice, but only when they're supported by other feats of equal calibre. If we all of a sudden saw Aquaman breaking the time barrier by running on his feet, then knocking over a skyscraper with his bare hands and swinging it at someone, I'm sure it would be questioned as well.

Your last statement made sense, about Aquaman

I still don't agree that was an "uber moment" though, and what if his tough time with Collosus was a pis moment, see it all depends how you look at it, In FF #250 Collosus ends up unconscious after tusslin with Gladiator, so you see...

Originally posted by unknowable
Your last statement made sense, about Aquaman

I still don't agree that was an "uber moment" though, and what if his tough time with Collosus was a pis moment, see it all depends how you look at it, In FF #250 Collosus ends up unconscious after tusslin with Gladiator, so you see...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
He's not consistently that strong sure, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to do it again. I know we'll probably never see him do anything like that in comics again, but in the Versus Forum, where characters best showings are the ones we're supposed to take into account, using those feats is a valid argument. Just like Aquaman giving someone a seizure. He's only done that once, but that's fine to use. Flash has only used the Infinite Mass Punch once right? People still accept that. Alot of characters have one time feats that are still accepted as something they can do regularly.

I try not to use the 100c speed feat for Glads all the time, just because like you said, it's not consistant with his other showings. Nonetheless, it did happen, therefore he has the potential to do it again.

My point exactly, Jun is right, he hasn't done that specific feat again but he did it non the less, and can do it again because of this fact.
Otherwise what the point of any comic, if later on down the line they can be challenged as a real event or not.
I mean it wasn't a What If..
It was FF#249, a legitament source for referals.

Originally posted by Juntai
But that's not exacly ripping holes in space with your bare hands, and sprinting around at a thousand times the speed of light, is it?

Are you bringing Superman in?

Never said Gladiator's exaggeration compares to Supes.
Right now where debating whether or not Gladiator's 100x light speed flight was legite or not. and I along with others say yes, because it happened in a continuing issue of Fantastic Four, as you already know.
Not a crossover, an limited series or what if, a solid comic that can be refered to for feats.

THE COUNTS POWERS ARE IMPRESIVE I HAVENT HEARD MUCH ON HOW SMART HE IS CUASE IF HES NOT AT LEAST AS SMART AS SUPES SUPES WOULD EAT HIM ALIVE DONT UNDERESTIMATE HOW SMART SUPES REALLY IS ASIDES FROM HIS NEAR UNLIMTED POWER......SUPES WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY PLUS THE COUNT IS NOWERE NEAR SUPES IN THE STREANGH AND SPEED DEPARTMENT.............

is this still going on?

In an all out fight, Nefaria wins.

But, if there is no hurting allowed, Supes may have a chance.
But, that's only if he calls "No Hurting". Or, "No Hitting in the Face"!
But, if Nefaria was smart, he would call "No Hair Pulling", and "No Slapping". Because, those are Superman's big moves.

Originally posted by Horrificus
In an all out fight, Nefaria wins.

But, if there is no hurting allowed, Supes may have a chance.
But, that's only if he calls "No Hurting". Or, "No Hitting in the Face"!
But, if Nefaria was smart, he would call "No Hair Pulling", and "No Slapping". Because, those are Superman's big moves.

Man, why you be hatin'?

Originally posted by batdude123
Man, why you be hatin'?

Superman and me have ... "history". But, he started it.

😆

Supes wins.

Originally posted by Juntai
Gladiator's one time 100x flight speed doesn't hold much wieght, it's a one time feat, while the forum is considered of consistant strength. For intesive purposes, it was a particularly powered up moment.

As I understood it, unless otherwise presented, a character is taken to be at the peak of thier potential, under normal circumstances.

"Normal", meaning, unless they have a non-canon powersource, are being controlled by a force that is not normally part of the character make-up, etc. Recieving power or influence from anything outside of thier profile.

But, if the character is not in any unusual circumstances, and being portrayed with thier usual traits, high-level feats can be utilized, and considered as abilites that are always available.

For example, if it is argued that Trion Juggernaut was as powerful as he was without any type of additional power or ability, his increaed power-level should be considered his peak, and is useable in the forum as regular Juggernaut.

But, if it is proven that he only retained this high level of power, due to the invasive entity that was inc control of the Juggernaut "Body", then there would be a valid arguement that this is an unusual circumstance, and should not be used as "Normal" potential for Juggs.