Scarlet Witch & Flash vs Full Potential Franklin Richards & Makkari

Originally posted by Jose123
Nope didn't read house of M. what did she show that makes her so powerfull?

Well you know about Avengers dissassembled right? She lost control of her reality altering powers and killed a feww avenger. HoM leads on from that with Avegers and X men deciding what to do with Wanda, and one option was to kill her cause she was too powerful to live. Quicksilver, in trying to save her, manipultes Wanda to give everyones desires, so they wont kill her, so she completely rewritrs the Marvel universe, where Mutants are superior, and Magneto is king of the world, and has also afftected other alien species. In one of the crossovers, you find out she reality warping powers tore a dimensional hole, and is altering reality thoughout the mutivere!

So in the end, Magneto eventually find out what quicksilver did in his name and crushes him with a sentinal, Wanda then goes beserk and lashed out at magneto, incapacited him, and rants on about how Magneto made her and quicksilver's lives shit, and he chose his mutant race over them. Then she says 3 words "No more Mutants", and reduces the mutant population by 98%, so theres only a few hundred mutants aound the world.

Marvel can make her do anything. And it would still be acceptable. Because she is the living retcon. fear Fear the living retcon.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Marvel can make her do anything. And it would still be acceptable. Because she is the living retcon. fear Fear the living retcon.

Fear Bendis for making her like this.

Yeah, thanks to Bendis, nothing can withstand Wanda's Woogie magic

darn thats pretty insane giving the earths mutants that much power if this crap keeps up they minus will let them beat eternity didnt scarlet witch also make dormammu appear with out even trying? i think thats powerful even beyond a celestial but i may be wrong if she is indeed so powerful how come even a few mutants lived i mean if she is that strong none should have why did any servive?

Originally posted by Mider
darn thats pretty insane giving the earths mutants that much power if this crap keeps up they minus will let them beat eternity didnt scarlet witch also make dormammu appear with out even trying? i think thats powerful even beyond a celestial but i may be wrong if she is indeed so powerful how come even a few mutants lived i mean if she is that strong none should have why did any servive?

Dr Strange and Emma Strange tried to counter her reallity warp, but were only able to save a few undred mutants. And theres always been flaws with Wanda's powers. Just look at the house of M world, there were still people who remembered the original universe. Her powers have always been chaotic and imprecise.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Dr Strange and Emma Strange tried to counter her reallity warp, but were only able to save a few undred mutants. And theres always been flaws with Wanda's powers. Just look at the house of M world, there were still people who remembered the original universe. Her powers have always been chaotic and imprecise.

A lot of it is her subconscious doubt of what she's doing. She often wants to be saved from herself - that's why she created Layla Miller without realizing it. Layla was the reason the heroes got their memories back and ultimately stopped her.

But yeah, I agree with the poster who said that Wanda is the most powerful physical being in the universe.

However, I also agree that Franklin is beyond Celestial level.

It's just that Wanda is FAR beyond Celestial level. We haven't seen power on Wanda's scale since the Infinity Gauntlet. And even the IG was just universal in scale...Wanda is multiversal.

Originally posted by demigawd
A lot of it is her subconscious doubt of what she's doing. She often wants to be saved from herself - that's why she created Layla Miller without realizing it. Layla was the reason the heroes got their memories back and ultimately stopped her.

But yeah, I agree with the poster who said that Wanda is the most powerful physical being in the universe.

However, I also agree that Franklin is beyond Celestial level.

It's just that Wanda is FAR beyond Celestial level. We haven't seen power on Wanda's scale since the Infinity Gauntlet. And even the IG was just universal in scale...Wanda is multiversal.

What about HOTU. Anyway, she is undoubtely beyond Celestail, probably far beyond, I also believe Farnklin powers are beyond Celestail. I think Franklin could do what Wanda did, if he would gone mad like she did. I think we would see another Wanda, something similar. She is more capable also than Galactus is. There are really abstractss, LT, Phoenix and The Infinites who are beyond her.

Originally posted by demigawd
A lot of it is her subconscious doubt of what she's doing. She often wants to be saved from herself - that's why she created Layla Miller without realizing it. Layla was the reason the heroes got their memories back and ultimately stopped her.

But yeah, I agree with the poster who said that Wanda is the most powerful physical being in the universe.

However, I also agree that Franklin is beyond Celestial level.

It's just that Wanda is FAR beyond Celestial level. We haven't seen power on Wanda's scale since the Infinity Gauntlet. And even the IG was just universal in scale...Wanda is multiversal.

Dont start that again. Theres still nothing conclusive that shows or states the chaos wave was generated by Wanda as opposed to it being the result of the misuse of her powers on the 616 reality.

I dont wanna hear loads of reasons why you think the chaos wave was directly generated by Wanda because mere opinion on its own isnt sufficient when not verified on panel. Both of our interpretations on what happened in house of M can be supported. Therefore you cant treat yours as canon.

Until its actually stated that she generated it then you cant start using that as a feat. Until then she warped 616 reality. Very powerful.

At the end of the day while the chaos wave had the POTENTIAL to destroy the multiverse that was only if it was allowed to run riot. Which it was not. In the end it was halted by the actions of a few mutants. None of the higher beings got involved.

Finally its easy to get caught up on what being able to control causality can enable you to do, but you must remember that for all we know she can only control causality on a universal scale. She hasnt been shown on panel to be able to conclusively do anything more than that. For all we know there are limits on her ability to do this. It hasnt been stated that she is omnipotent, that she can do absolutely anything she wants, we can only go by her feats.

Originally posted by demigawd
A lot of it is her subconscious doubt of what she's doing. She often wants to be saved from herself - that's why she created Layla Miller without realizing it. Layla was the reason the heroes got their memories back and ultimately stopped her.

Oh cool. When was it revealed that she created Layla Miller? I havent read that bit.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh cool. When was it revealed that she created Layla Miller? I havent read that bit.

In HoM 7.

being stopped by strange is not that hard a thing i mean he's probably done stuff that even a cosmic cant do would eternity have been able to get rid of shuma gorath or defie the LT when it comes to fights and cosmic level battles strange is the biggest wild card all magic users are in a way in the DCU one sorcerer just by getting mad used his magic to almost destroy all life in earth even on a molecular level so yeah being defeated by a magic wielder shouldnt shame you because they always do things outside the norm.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont start that again. Theres still nothing conclusive that shows or states the chaos wave was generated by Wanda as opposed to it being the result of the misuse of her powers on the 616 reality.

I dont wanna hear loads of reasons why you think the chaos wave was directly generated by Wanda because mere opinion on its own isnt sufficient when not verified on panel. Both of our interpretations on what happened in house of M can be supported. Therefore you cant treat yours as canon.

Until its actually stated that she generated it then you cant start using that as a feat. Until then she warped 616 reality. Very powerful.

At the end of the day while the chaos wave had the POTENTIAL to destroy the multiverse that was only if it was allowed to run riot. Which it was not. In the end it was halted by the actions of a few mutants. None of the higher beings got involved.

Finally its easy to get caught up on what being able to control causality can enable you to do, but you must remember that for all we know she can only control causality on a universal scale. She hasnt been shown on panel to be able to conclusively do anything more than that. For all we know there are limits on her ability to do this. It hasnt been stated that she is omnipotent, that she can do absolutely anything she wants, we can only go by her feats.

Your entire Phoenix mess is opinion and you treat it like canon. You live in an awfully big glass house to be throwing stones. 😉

Bulk of evidence shows that Wanda created the chaos wave and has multiverse-altering power. She affected not just 616 - but alternate realms too, like Otherworld, Dormammu's domain, etc. So clearly she's affected things at a multiversal level.

Either way she beats Franklin.

AND Phoenix.

😄

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
It's hilarious how you guys are arguing against someone you have no idea about.The witch is probably the most powerful physical being in the universe.

Um...and YOU have alot of idea about her? Your last sentence clearly points out how misinformed you are about her.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Either way she beats Franklin. AND Phoenix

White Hot Room wasn't affected. 😉

On another hand, I think Marvel really needs to stop making UBER powerful characters. There are so many mutants that are stronger than Celestials that a Celestial isn't even considered anything anymore. One or two is fine but there's way too much right now.

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
White Hot Room wasn't affected. 😉

On another hand, I think Marvel really needs to stop making UBER powerful characters. There are so many mutants that are stronger than Celestials that a Celestial isn't even considered anything anymore. One or two is fine but there's way too much right now.

the White Hot Room was on its way to being affected. Roma said that Chaos Wave was progressing throughout the multiverse, and could ultimately reach the Ascension itself - the White Hot Room.

And I can't people are complaining about Marvel making uber powerful characters, when we have a DC superhero team where five out of the seven members are capable of FTL speed and reaction, and various reality-warping, supernova-containing, planet-destroying feats. No more than one member of any Marvel team has that kind of power - Sentry.

Originally posted by Mider
would eternity have been able to get rid of shuma gorath or defie the LT

Yes. He could get rid of Shuma Gorath very easily and could defie LT if he would chose it (but would terribly lose).

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
On another hand, I think Marvel really needs to stop making UBER powerful characters. There are so many mutants that are stronger than Celestials that a Celestial isn't even considered anything anymore.

Who is more powrful than Celestial, otherwise than Scarlet Witch and Phoenix (and maybe Franklin). There are no other more powerful than Celestail, actully any other mutants are really nothing to Celestial

Originally posted by demigawd
Your entire Phoenix mess is opinion and you treat it like canon. You live in an awfully big glass house to be throwing stones. 😉

No. The god connection aspect was opinion albeit heavily supported opinion. With time i learned to accept that. That was nearly 2 months ago rendering your retort somewhat antiquated.

Originally posted by demigawd
Bulk of evidence shows that Wanda created the chaos wave and has multiverse-altering power. She affected not just 616 - but alternate realms too, like Otherworld, Dormammu's domain, etc. So clearly she's affected things at a multiversal level.

Once again. No. Your evidence amounted to the fact that the wave was given the "chaos" monicker and the fact that it was revealed soon after House of M was initiated. Really not good enough. With the origin of the wave in doubt you cant then make the additional point that she has multiverse altering power. Sorry D 🙁

Excuse me but when was Dormammus realm affected? Dont distort events to support your theory. She teleported Dormammu into the main dimension. Dormammus dimension is within 616 it is not an alternate universe its a pocket dimension, so even if teleporting something did quite ridiculously equate to affecting an entire realm as suggested by your post then your point would still be moot.

Originally posted by demigawd
Either way she beats Franklin.

AND Phoenix.

😄

Currently she may beat a child Franklin but certainly not Phoenix. Preposterous. Let it go. Youre setting yourself up for another Magneto Prime- like mourning period. 🙁

Originally posted by demigawd
the White Hot Room was on its way to being affected. Roma said that Chaos Wave was progressing throughout the multiverse, and could ultimately reach the Ascension itself - the White Hot Room.

No. Roma speculated that the wave could reach the White Hot Room if left unchecked. Which it wasnt. It got halted by a band of mutants. The higher powers never got involved. 😉

Either way the wave isnt something conclusively generated by Wanda so until that situation is changed accept that Wanda warped 616. Thats impressive. Be happy with it. 🙂

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