Scarlet Witch & Flash vs Full Potential Franklin Richards & Makkari

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Either way the wave isnt something conclusively generated by Wanda so until that situation is changed accept that Wanda warped 616. Thats impressive. Be happy with it. 🙂

The wave originated from Earth 616 concomitant to the Scarlet Witch altering the reality. Who else on Earth has that kind of power? Other than Wolverine.

Originally posted by leonidas
ah yes . . . so it begins . . .

again . . .

Bottomline is... she's the living retcon fear. Phoenix ain't got nothing on that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Who created it then? The cosmic bunny?

The wave originated from Earth 616 concomitant to the Scarlet Witch altering the reality. Who else on Earth has that kind of power? Other than Wolverine.😱

Roma said that the wave was the result of a global disruption originating in 616. That can easily be interpreted as Wandas misuse of her abilities unwittingly resulting in the wave as opposed to her generating and/or fuelling it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bottomline is... she's the living retcon fear. Phoenix ain't got nothing on that.

Please. 🙄 Reality is what it is because of Phoenix. Phoenix reformed and manipulated reality in the palm of her hand. Conscious control over all that is right down to the sub atomic. Wanda aint on that level. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Roma said that the wave was the result of a global disruption originating in 616. That can easily be interpreted as Wandas misuse of her abilities unwittingly resulting in the wave as opposed to her generating and/or fuelling it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please. 🙄 Reality is what it is because of Phoenix. Phoenix reformed and manipulated reality in the palm of her hand. Conscious control over all that is right down to the sub atomic. Wanda aint on that level. 😉

1) I didn't mean in comics. I meant in terms of Marvel. If six months down the track they want to make everything back to before, I doubt they'd use the Phoenix.

2) I didn't even mean it in seriousness. A bad word against Phoenix and you spring into action like a terrier. Franky says relax. I'm not trying to be snarky or anything but I honestly don't think anybody really gives a crap about Phoenix here besides you.

Phoenix beats Wanda and Wanda beats Franklin. Yay everyone's happy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wanda's abilities resulting in the generation and maintenance of the wave is opposite to Wanda generating and maintaining the wave with her abilities. Great contrast.
Think outside the square you live in.

How do you know either ones the case in the comics? Thats my point. The chaos wave situation can be interpreted in many ways in the comics with no statements or depictions favouring any one interpretation conclusively and as such using it as a feat of Wandas when her direct connection to it is within doubt just cant be done in debates.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1) I didn't mean in comics. I meant in terms of Marvel. If six months down the track they want to make everything back to before, I doubt they'd use the Phoenix.

You werent specific enough to justify getting stressy when readers dont get it. 🙁 Chill out son. Its only a comic book forum. 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
2) I didn't even mean it in seriousness. A bad word against Phoenix and you spring into action like a terrier. Franky says relax. I'm not trying to be snarky or anything but I honestly don't think anybody really gives a crap about Phoenix here besides you.

The wealth of Phoenix related sigs and usernames suggests otherwise. Either way thats cool. If you wanna vent your real world frustrations on a comic forum then all power to you. Whatever works for you mate.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Phoenix beats Wanda and Wanda beats Franklin. Yay everyone's happy.

If thats your opinion then cool. I cant say i disagree. 😉

hay galacticstorm what comic was it were phoenix had the universe in her hand and stuff?

Originally posted by Mider
hay galacticstorm what comic was it were phoenix had the universe in her hand and stuff?

New X-men 154 😉

end song?

Originally posted by Mider
end song?

No. New X-men 154's the title where she holds 616 in her hand. Endsong just finalises the relationship between Jean and Phoenix. i.e that theyre one and the same being.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No. The god connection aspect was opinion albeit heavily supported opinion. With time i learned to accept that. That was nearly 2 months ago rendering your retort somewhat antiquated.

So in other words you're saying it's your opinion. All I needed to hear.

Once again. No. Your evidence amounted to the fact that the wave was given the "chaos" monicker and the fact that it was revealed soon after House of M was initiated. Really not good enough. With the origin of the wave in doubt you cant then make the additional point that she has multiverse altering power. Sorry D 🙁

Except the origin of the wave is NOT in doubt. It could not have come from anywhere or anyplace but Wanda. Holes in the multiverse exist all the time - and no chaos wave formed. What was different this time was the fact that Wanda's chaos energies were throughout 616. This time, a hole in the universe caused her energies to leak, which is what created the UNIQUE effects it did. It was caused by nothing else but Wanda. Give it up...she's just greater than your precious Phoenix.

Excuse me but when was Dormammus realm affected? Dont distort events to support your theory. She teleported Dormammu into the main dimension. Dormammus dimension is within 616 it is not an alternate universe its a pocket dimension, so even if teleporting something did quite ridiculously equate to affecting an entire realm as suggested by your post then your point would still be moot.

Um. If you pull someone out of their realm, particularly the MASTER of that realm, then you've affected that realm. And then there's the matter of Otherworld. And then there's the matter of all the other universes we've seen seen in the midst of being altered and merged that Roma showed us.

You want heavily supported opinion....you got it right there. No "Kabbalah" necessary.

Currently she may beat a child Franklin but certainly not Phoenix. Preposterous. Let it go. Youre setting yourself up for another Magneto Prime- like mourning period. 🙁

hahaha...you mean like your three week mourning period where you ran off the board to cry?

"jgg" anybody?

what is the hot room and were does it appear?

Originally posted by demigawd
So in other words you're saying it's your opinion. All I needed to hear.

Youre late on that one Demi. I admitted the God connection was my opinion a long time ago and have done so repeatedly on many a thread since. Its something i learned to do regardless of how heavily supported my idea was. The fact that my idea wasnt stated meant i couldnt treat it as canon. It appears from your post that thats now something you need to learn to do.

Originally posted by demigawd
Except the origin of the wave is NOT in doubt. It could not have come from anywhere or anyplace but Wanda. Holes in the multiverse exist all the time - and no chaos wave formed. What was different this time was the fact that Wanda's chaos energies were throughout 616. This time, a hole in the universe caused her energies to leak, which is what created the UNIQUE effects it did. It was caused by nothing else but Wanda. Give it up...she's just greater than your precious Phoenix.

The way it was worded by Roma doesnt coincide with your OPINION on what happened with regards to the chaos wave. Theres nothing stated so dont treat it as canon.

If we were to argue as if it was canon just for debating purposes, Wandas reality warp affect gradually leaking from universe to universe does not equate her to Phoenix. Its only a leak. Theres no evidence to conclusively show she could generate this energy and apply it across the universes of the multiverse simultaneously. She hasnt demonstrated such multiversal range. It was a leak which Roma speculated could spill over from universe to universe if allowed to. It wasnt. It got stopped by a band of mutants. 🙂 Thats multiversal in potential destructive range not power.

Phoenix has applied its power simultaneously across the entire multiverse to connect all the universes within an energy matrix as detailed by Merlyn in Excalibur. Phoenix has held 616 in her hand and manipulated it consciously on a sub atomic level. If we were treating the chaos wave as Wandas feat that still doesnt match up as its just a spill over , not a conscious application across the multiverse and theres nothing to suggest she could so that.

When your OPINION is verified on panel then we'll hold another Phoenix versus Wanda debate. Until such times she really doesnt stand a chance mate 🙁

Originally posted by demigawd
Um. If you pull someone out of their realm, particularly the MASTER of that realm, then you've affected that realm. And then there's the matter of Otherworld. And then there's the matter of all the other universes we've seen seen in the midst of being altered and merged that Roma showed us.

You said Dormammus realm was one of those affected by Wandas power. Given the context you stated that in (i.e you included it alongside Otherworld which was caught up in a reality warp and of course 616) you presented it as being affected in the same manner when in fact Dormammu was just teleported from his realm into 616. You were wrong to present it as such and should have made a clear distinction.

What other universes were shown to be in the midst of being altered? 616 was altered and Otherworld was the first realm to feel the effects. Thats all. Tell me a comic where other universes were shown being altered and i'll have scans up in minutes.

Originally posted by demigawd
You want heavily supported opinion....you got it right there. No "Kabbalah" necessary.

Thats far from heavily supported. Certainly not on the same level as the Kaballah stuff.

Originally posted by demigawd
hahaha...you mean like your three week mourning period where you ran off the board to cry?

"jgg" anybody?

Come on now D. I took a break for work stating that i'd be back within 2 weeks so dont try it. 😉

Again talking as if your opinion with regards to the c wave was canon, the spillover of the energies wanda used to warp 616 doesnt equate Wanda to a multiversal power. The other universes wouldnt have been totally warped they would have collapsed as a result of said energies spilling over into them. It was a domino effect. Not an effect consciously applied and maintained simultaneously across the multiverse. So while the chaos wave had the potential to in the end be one of the most destructive events seen in Marvel. It certainly wouldnt have been a feat as Wanda never generated it and applied it. It was just a spillover, that would have gone from universe to universe if left unchecked. Thats universal level.

Blah blah blah

Fact: If Wanda wanted to tear open the walls between the multiverse and change other universes from her cushy village apartment, she could. That's multiversal power.

Face reality, or...causality, as the case may be 🙂

Originally posted by demigawd
Blah blah blah

Fact: If Wanda wanted to tear open the walls between the multiverse and change other universes from her cushy village apartment, she could. That's multiversal power.

Face reality, or...causality, as the case may be 🙂

Hah! I got you you b*stard!! 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hah i got you you b*stard!! 😛

I think not. The only thing you can "get" is a coffee for me. Now go! chop-chop!

Originally posted by demigawd
I think not. The only thing you can "get" is a coffee for me. Now go! chop-chop!

Well if thats what it takes for you to hook me up with one of them girls then whatever you say boss! 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well if thats what it takes for you to hook me up with one of them girls then whatever you say boss! 😛

Yeaaah. I know you want some of this!

Originally posted by demigawd
Yeaaah. I know you want some of this!

WOW thats her?!!! 😱

YES!!!!!! Biggest score ever!

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Originally posted by demigawd
YES!!!!!! Biggest score ever!

Noemi >> Demigawd's girlfriend AND Demigawd's girlfriend's best friend.

✅

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