Originally posted by HairyPooperThe Amish use a limited amount of electricity. I think they have battery operated stuff.
Im on the internet to annoy people.No seriously, the Internet is not evil. Yes it has evil things on it, but in and of itself it is not evil.
Ive nothing against electricity. Im not Amish. (No offense to the Amish.)
Originally posted by fintiIt's called faith something you don't have. If you never been to Iraq prove to me that there is a war going on over there. You read it do you believe everything you read, you can see pictures of it but they can be forged. Somethings you just have to accept as truth or else you can't prove anything.
prove that he resurrected
Well, you resurrected.no I was around just not in here
It's called faith something you don't havebut I do have faith only that my faith is in the real world not into something superstitious.
If you never been to Iraq prove to me that there is a war going on over there. You read it do you believe everything you read, you can see pictures of it but they can be forgedprove to you a war is going on?, well attend the funerals of a returned dead soldiers, theres all the proof you need of a ongoing war
Somethings you just have to accept as truth or else you can't prove anythingyeah but story of this jesus christ and his deeds aint equal with the truth, if it was the real truth we all would accept it. jesus followers wants and really believes this to be the truth just as muslims wants and believes in their ways to be the truth.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are insane then. Prove to me that King Tut is still alive.
I need not prove anything. You made the claim Jesus is dead. Now is up to you to prove it.
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But if I was insane, I would be spitting and drolling and ripping out my eyes and screaming stuff like...
EEEEEEE! ARRRRRRRRR! MAAAAA NNEEEEE RRRRRRR!! AAAAGGHHHH!!!!!
Originally posted by HairyPooper
I need not prove anything. You made the claim Jesus is dead. Now is up to you to prove it.😉
But if I was insane, I would be spitting and drolling and ripping out my eyes and screaming stuff like...
EEEEEEE! ARRRRRRRRR! MAAAAA NNEEEEE RRRRRRR!! AAAAGGHHHH!!!!!
Hey! man, calm down. Last time I talked to Jesus, he told me himself that he was dead. 😆
This is one of the most important questions of all of history. If Jesus arose from the dead, then what he said about himself is true. If he did not arise from the dead, then what he said about himself is not true. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God (John 14:6). He claimed to be able to forgive sins (Luke 5:20). He also claimed to be divine (John 8:24; 8:58 with Exodus 3:14). Therefore, his extraordinary claims are tied to his resurrection. Of course, it is one thing to "say" that Jesus arose from the dead, it is another thing to prove it. But the problem is we cannot prove that he rose from the dead. The reason is because the documents that describe him or 2000 years old. At best, all we can do is look at those documents to determine if they are reliable and accurate. If they are, then we simply need to look at what they say to seeing if they support his resurrection or not. It is then up to the individual to accept or reject the claims those presented. This becomes an important issue because a person's presuppositions will govern how he interprets the data. If a person presupposes that God does not exist, or that miracles cannot happen, then it would be virtually impossible to convince such a person that the resurrection occurred. On the other hand if a person presupposes that there is a God and that miracles can happen, then it would be easier to convince a person that the resurrection of Jesus happened. So, what are your presuppositions? Do your presuppositions allow you to objectively look at the evidence in order to make an "unbiased" conclusion about it? In my paper Can we trust the New Testament as a historical document? I cover the information necessary to validate the New Testament documents as being accurate and reliably transmitted to us today. If you are interested in reading a more detailed examination of this, please click on the link above. Nevertheless, I will review the information in brief here.
First of all, the New Testament documents have a greater reliability to them in any other set of ancient documents in existence. The New Testament documents are 99.5% textually pure. This means that there is less than 1/2 of 1% of all the 26,000 copies we have of the various documents included in the New Testament. Added to this the incredible redundancy of copies, and their almost 100 percent agreement, and we can easily conclude that the transmission of the documents to us has been extremely reliable. If anyone or to dismiss the New Testament documents by saying that they are corrupted, that he must also throw out all other ancient documents including those of the writings of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, and many others, etc., because none of them come close to approaching the number of manuscripts in existence nor the reliability, nor the accuracy of the copies then exists in the New Testament documents.
Second, since the documents are reliable then what we must do is look at them to determine whether or not the content supports the resurrection of Jesus. At this point, it becomes very easy to demonstrate this since the Bible definitely teaches that Jesus rose from the dead. There are many scriptures that teach Jesus' resurrection. Following are three of them.
Luke 24:56, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? 6 "He is not here, but He has risen..."
John 2:19-21, "Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture, and the word which Jesus had spoken."
1 Cor. 15:3-4, "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures."
Did Jesus rise from the dead? According to the Bible, yes He did.
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Im not done yet.
Even though the bible teaches us that Jesus rose from the dead in the same body that He died in and that His resurrected body was a glorified body, people still resist accepting this truth -- to their detriment. Various objections are raised against such biblical support as...
"Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body," (John 2:19-21).
"When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and *said to them, "Peace be with you." 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord," (John 20:19-20).
"And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39"See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:38-39).
It seems clear that Jesus' physical resurrection is a reality. Unfortunately, objections to it have been raised.
Objection 1: Jesus was put to death physically but was raised spiritually according to 1 Pet. 3:18.
1 Pet. 3:18 is often used as a counter John 2:19-21. Instead of harmonizing the Scriptures, some people use one scripture to "refute" another or to justify their interpretations which seem to favor their positions. Such is the case with 1 Pet. 3:18-19:
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit," (1 Pet. 3:18).
The point that they try to make in this verse is that Jesus did not rise in the flesh, but "in the spirit." Some even say that Jesus ceased to exist and then was made alive" in the spirit. However, because Jesus is the Word made flesh (John 1:1,14), His spirit is immortal and does not need to be made alive. Nevertheless, they assert that Jesus was not speaking literally in John 2:19-21, otherwise it would contradict their doctrine that Jesus did not rise physically. Of course, they are incorrect. Here is why.
Let's look at the context of 1 Pet. 3:18. Here is 1 Pet. 3:17-20,
"For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. 18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." (1 Pet. 3:17-20).
We must acknowledge right away that these verses have different interpretations among scholars. It says Jesus was in the spirit when He went and made proclamation. But what does that mean? Did Jesus, between the time of his death and resurrection, go and make a proclamation to spirits in prison, or was it after His resurrection? Also, the Greek word used is "proclaim," (karuso) not "preach," (evangelizo), so it was not a message of salvation to those spirits in prison. Also, who are the spirits, angels or men? In the spirit realm, angels are said to be in prison (Rev. 20:7; 2 Pet. 2:4), but never people. What was the proclamation? Most probably, it was the proclamation of Christ's victory at the cross, according to scripture, which was proclaimed to spirits of old who were disobedient in the time of Noah and who were being held in bonds (See also, 2 Pet. 2:4-5).