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Whew. An educated guess tells me Ragnos goes down. He could take any one of them in one to one combat, but we just don't know enough of his power to argue that he'd take all three of them. Is it conceivable? Yes, but there's no reason for someone to believe so.
At a distance with his scepter, he stands as good a shot as anyone. But it's almost inconceivable anyone takes the trio out.
Either way, I'm getting my ass away from the Himalayas.
Great. And that applies to future generations how? Oh, wait it doesn't....did Ragnos learn of and master all aspects of the Force? Did he use the Sith Lords' greatest weapon? When the future Sith order is said to have, changed and evolved, to have made war itself their weapon and fighting them can't work? When the Avatar of Light and the greatest foe the Sith'd ever known lived? News for you: Sidious and Luke were described as gods and Titans in the force and their duel, BEFORE sidious unleashed his full power, was felt by people across the galaxy.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Great. And that applies to future generations how? Oh, wait it doesn't....did Ragnos learn of and master all aspects of the Force? Did he use the Sith Lords' greatest weapon? When the future Sith order is said to have, changed and evolved, to have made war itself their weapon and fighting them can't work? When the Avatar of Light and the greatest foe the Sith'd ever known lived? News for you: Sidious and Luke were described as gods and Titans in the force and their duel, BEFORE sidious unleashed his full power, was felt by people across the galaxy.
Does it say "the most powerful of the most powerful of a ten minute span"? No it doesn't. We know he is vastly superior to his contemporaries and he has no known upper limit to his ability. There is definitely a logically plausible chance.
You're being closed minded again. Yes, the future Sith Order did change and evolve, it was never said to be stronger than the Ancient Sith, who is considered the Golden Age.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Of that specific empire. I'd consider a 'golden age' a 1000 year dominance of a galaxy by the Brotherhood of Darkness
Is that why it's never mentioned as the golden age, or described as "the zenith of the sith"?
No one individual is proclaimed as "the absolute, zomg, best of all time!" Marka Ragnos is the closest one to that status.
As opposed to Palpatine who brought out the gratest weapon of the Sith to the greatest scale we've ever seen? I'm very willing to put them as equals, or close in power, but anything beyond that?
And any statements like that can EASILY be taken to mean Of that empire...never before the BoD did the Sith control the GALAXY.
On another note, glad this is back to being civil, Illustrious. Enough going for the throats. I've acted like a total dick and I'm sorry
Originally posted by Lightsnake
As opposed to Palpatine who brought out the gratest weapon of the Sith to the greatest scale we've ever seen? I'm very willing to put them as equals, or close in power, but anything beyond that?
Greatest weapon of the Sith to the greatest scale? Could you please lump some more hyperbole on there; my eyes aren't bleeding yet.
Is there any proof for this statement, or is it being twisted?
And any statements like that can EASILY be taken to mean Of that empire...never before the BoD did the Sith control the GALAXY.
Why are you assigning labels to Star Wars timelines? Since when are you the certified expert? The Golden Age of the Sith corresponds with the rule of Ragnos. Period. QED. It is done. You do not get to pick that title up and carry it over to some other part of time and assign it. It's not in your job description as Random Forum Persona #86,571.
As opposed to Palpatine who brought out the gratest weapon of the Sith to the greatest scale we've ever seen? I'm very willing to put them as equals, or close in power, but anything beyond that?
Greatest weapon of the Sith? Substantiate, that sounds like hyperbole.
And any statements like that can EASILY be taken to mean Of that empire...never before the BoD did the Sith control the GALAXY.
The BoD never controlled the galaxy, they almost did. On the same vein of thought, Palpatine never conquered the galaxy. When do we see Palpatine leading Sith armies? Never, he was forced to hide in the shadows and fight, which is unfeasible considering you seem to think he can wipe out pretty much anyone else.
Darth Revan achieved more than Sidious. At least he almost conquered it.
On another note, glad this is back to being civil, Illustrious. Enough going for the throats. I've acted like a total dick and I'm sorry
Good, lets keep it civil then.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
As opposed to Palpatine who brought out the gratest weapon of the Sith to the greatest scale we've ever seen? I'm very willing to put them as equals, or close in power, but anything beyond that?
DE Sidious and Ragnos equals ? Now listen, fanboy. It's enough. Go and buy yourself Jedi Knight: Academy. Play the game. Listen to Luke talking about Ragnos. He says that it would need [b]the combined power of the entire Jedi Academy to take it up with a living Ragnos.
That would include: Luke himself (5 - 10 years after DE), Kyp Durron, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo, Anakin Solo (?), Corran Horn, Kyle Katarn and dozens of other people.
And you put him on an "equal" position to a guy that was defeated by Luke on his own ? Yeah, right.
And any statements like that can EASILY be taken to mean Of that empire...never before the BoD did the Sith control the GALAXY.
What does "controlling the Galaxy" have to do with "being powerful" ? This is nothing but feat wars. Can George Bush knock out Mike Tyson in a fist fight because Bush reigns over a country and Tyson does not ?
The "Golden Age of the Sith" referres to Sith culture including Sith Alchemy and Sith magic. The Sith were a species that was wiped from known space already when Revan lived meaning 2 millenia before the BoD showed up. And with the exception of Kun we've never seem somebody proficient in Sith magic (like casting a single spell to freeze the entire Senate) or Sith alchemy (like creating force based amulets, weapons and ships) from the fall of the Ancient Sith Empire on. It's not about what they did rule...
Ahh, Janus...can't argue so you just throw something to insult? It says in the comic by the narrarator a force storm is the greatest weapon of the Sith. Fabric of the galaxy tears, a force storm, the greatest weapon of the Sith Lords, has eben creating, cut to Palpatine's former phrase on creating storms. And the BoD ruled all the galaxy by the core until theyf ell apart. Unlike Revan, Sidious conwuered the galaxy and destroyed the Jedi order...not even 1000 years of Sith rule under Ruin, Krul, Seviss Vaa, Rivan, Kaan....none of them achieved THAT. We see Palpatine hiding ebcause he was politically savvy and loved the irony of what he did...he chose his rotuwe because history'd shown what happened when Sith try to lead armies: Never in one instance did they succeed. His plan was to destroy from within...and there's that pesky rule of 2 thing from a millenia ago...
And considering DE Sidious to Ragnos...let's cotnrast and compare? Palpatine's death weakened the Dark Side. Irrevecobly. And I'd like this part of the game where Luke says that...we've seen Lukle and Palpatine fight to the degree to be felt over the entire galaxy. We've seen Palpatine demolish fleets. Occam's razor and principles of Economics here. Soudns more like hyperbole to me, to take a page from Janus's book. We saw Jaden Korr drive Ragnos back with his greatest weapon as it was. How many times do I have to post the description of that Palpatine/Luke duel?
The Sith measure a lot in conquest and success, that's undeniable. The Sith evolved off the species, Ragnos himself confirmed that with Kun's coronation
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ahh, Janus...can't argue so you just throw something to insult? It says in the comic by the narrarator a force storm is the greatest weapon of the Sith. Fabric of the galaxy tears, a force storm, the greatest weapon of the Sith Lords, has eben creating, cut to Palpatine's former phrase on creating storms.
Yeah. It says in the comic by the narrator that the force storm is the greatest weapon, before the following things were invented:
- ships that tear stars into pieces (Sadow)
- gauntlets that destroy temple walls and instakill persons (Sadow / Kun)
- people with the ability to drain entire planets and kill every life on it with a single force attack (Nihilus)
and so on, and so on...
And the BoD ruled all the galaxy by the core until theyf ell apart. Unlike Revan, Sidious conwuered the galaxy and destroyed the Jedi order...not even 1000 years of Sith rule under Ruin, Krul, Seviss Vaa, Rivan, Kaan....none of them achieved THAT.
Wake up. The military forces under Sidious command conquered the Galaxy and destroyed the Jedi order or have you seen him doing that all on his own ? I didn't. Feat Wars Episode VI - Return of the Fanboy.
We see Palpatine hiding ebcause he was politically savvy and loved the irony of what he did...he chose his rotuwe because history'd shown what happened when Sith try to lead armies: Never in one instance did they succeed. His plan was to destroy from within...and there's that pesky rule of 2 thing from a millenia ago...
We saw Palpatine hiding because he can't take on the entire Jedi order with his force powers or military skills.
And considering DE Sidious to Ragnos...let's cotnrast and compare? Palpatine's death weakened the Dark Side. Irrevecobly. And I'd like this part of the game where Luke says that...we've seen Lukle and Palpatine fight to the degree to be felt over the entire galaxy. We've seen Palpatine demolish fleets. Occam's razor and principles of Economics here. Soudns more like hyperbole to me, to take a page from Janus's book. We saw Jaden Korr drive Ragnos back with his greatest weapon as it was. How many times do I have to post the description of that Palpatine/Luke duel?
We have seen what ? We have seen Jaden Korr fighting a 5,000 year old spirit in the body of an force user that immediatly died after Ragnos left it because it couldn't stand the corruption inflicted to it by Ragnos spirit (and it's force powers) in the matter of minutes. Luke is talking about a living Ragnos and we've never seen a living Ragnos. So if Luke estimates that this is the level of Ragnos power DE Sidious would get curbstomped by him.
The Sith measure a lot in conquest and success, that's undeniable. The Sith evolved off the species, Ragnos himself confirmed that with Kun's coronation
You really want to tell me that a culture can reach it's "golden age" after all people who lived within that culture have been extinct from known space 2,000 years ago ? So Rome as it is today is the "golden age" of the Roman Empire ? Pfffft...
1. And after. all your following points were invented by the timethe Dark Side sourcebook and the NEC was....and considering Sidious was already draining planets of the force and stated to know all known, previously existing, discovered formerly unknown and created new techniques....that covers it. Force storms remain as the strongest weapon of a Dark Lord. They have always been written as such
2. Who was responsible for all of it? Sidious.
3. And history's shown that any Sith COULD? Seriously, history has shown the Sith are always beatewn and considering thanks to his order, Sidious had only one other Sith to work with...
4. Proof. We've seen Sidious become a pure avatar of the dark side against Luke's pure avatar of the Light side. We have no idea how the entire academy would measure up to Luke. Ragnos himself works against you here. We also know Ragnos still had his sceptre. And that 5000 year old spirit had a body with all his knowledge of the force.
5. You mean when 2,000 years later, when a new golden age was failed to come around, because of Kun and then a new Golden age DID come around thanks to Darth Ruin?