Is fornication a sin?

Originally posted by Makedde
If they get dovorced, they have still left with each others virginity.

I still have mine, and I intend to save it for someone special. I don't care whether we are married all not. I can still gove myself to the person I love without being married.

Ok and when you get married (let's assume shall we, that you had a first. But you broke up, but had sex during the relationship) how can you say you gave yourself entirly to your husband, if you gave a part of you to someone else? The reason why fornication is a sin, is because no one is always sure.

Originally posted by AOR
Ok and when you get married (let's assume shall we, that you had a first. But you broke up, but had sex during the relationship) how can you say you gave yourself entirly to your husband, if you gave a part of you to someone else? The reason why fornication is a sin, is because no one is always sure.

I believe you can give yourself entirely to anyone, whether you are married or not. You can share your body with anyone, as long as you love them, and they love you. Whether you are married or not isn't important. 🙂

Originally posted by AOR
Ok and when you get married (let's assume shall we, that you had a first. But you broke up, but had sex during the relationship) how can you say you gave yourself entirly to your husband, if you gave a part of you to someone else? The reason why fornication is a sin, is because no one is always sure.

Ok, so you wait till marriage, you think he/she is the one, and the relationship is consummated on the wedding night. HOWEVER, he/she turns out not to be the one, and the relationship ends six months, 2 years, whatever down the track. Or maybe one dies. Regardless what happens with remarriage? Does the fact that the person had sex during the previous marriage mean they can't give themselves entirely to their new partner?

And what about those who do love each other, but just never get married - defacto couples, those who have a civil ceremony, or a dedication ceremony - not married, but as good as in every sense but the honorary one? What if they "give their virginity to each other" and then stay together forever, but just never get married? Is that just as wrong?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ok, so you wait till marriage, you think he/she is the one, and the relationship is consummated on the wedding night. HOWEVER, he/she turns out not to be the one, and the relationship ends six months, 2 years, whatever down the track. Or maybe one dies. Regardless what happens with remarriage? Does the fact that the person had sex during the previous marriage mean they can't give themselves entirely to their new partner?

And what about those who do love each other, but just never get married - defacto couples, those who have a civil ceremony, or a dedication ceremony - not married, but as good as in every sense but the honorary one? What if they "give their virginity to each other" and then stay together forever, but just never get married? Is that just as wrong?

I agree with you, you think the same as me! 🙂

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ok, so you wait till marriage, you think he/she is the one, and the relationship is consummated on the wedding night. HOWEVER, he/she turns out not to be the one, and the relationship ends six months, 2 years, whatever down the track. Or maybe one dies. Regardless what happens with remarriage? Does the fact that the person had sex during the previous marriage mean they can't give themselves entirely to their new partner?

And what about those who do love each other, but just never get married - defacto couples, those who have a civil ceremony, or a dedication ceremony - not married, but as good as in every sense but the honorary one? What if they "give their virginity to each other" and then stay together forever, but just never get married? Is that just as wrong?

First of all, Christians aren't supposed to get divorced. "For better or for worse" is what the wedding vows say. Most couples problems can be solved through prayer or counseling. God doesn't want you to get divorced so if ask him for help then he will help you.

Besides, I think remarriage is taught against in the Bible. And no, once you've had sex you can never give yourself fully to another person again.

Originally posted by Punker69
Most couples problems can be solved through prayer or counseling. God doesn't want you to get divorced so if ask him for help then he will help you.

Originally posted by Punker69
And no, once you've had sex you can never give yourself [b]fully to another person again. [/B]

Originally posted by Punker69
First of all, Christians aren't supposed to get divorced. "For better or for worse" is what the wedding vows say. Most couples problems can be solved through prayer or counseling. God doesn't want you to get divorced so if ask him for help then he will help you.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ok, so you wait till marriage, you think he/she is the one, and the relationship is consummated on the wedding night. HOWEVER, he/she turns out not to be the one, and the relationship ends six months, 2 years, whatever down the track. Or maybe one dies. Regardless what happens with remarriage? Does the fact that the person had sex during the previous marriage mean they can't give themselves entirely to their new partner?

And what about those who do love each other, but just never get married - defacto couples, those who have a civil ceremony, or a dedication ceremony - not married, but as good as in every sense but the honorary one? What if they "give their virginity to each other" and then stay together forever, but just never get married? Is that just as wrong?

I believe our greatest miscommunication that I have finally ascertained is my Catholic definition of marriage.

Three hosts are recuired, the man, the woman, and God. If the presence of love is true and pure. And each give themselves totally from which they live the the true definition of love (the willing of good towards the other) then they thenceforth are binding to one another to which the arbitrary/witness (the church recommends a preist for religious reasons) recognizes as a true genuine marriage. From the point forward they are to be recognized as husband and wife.

Also, sex before marriage is in it of itself lies and false promises. Just like you can say "why do they have to wait to give themselves fully til marriage?" I too can say "why would people have to lie and say "I give myself to you." and then break up to them the next day, weeks, months, whatever. If you truly love him/her, what would a minor detail do to your relationship?

Originally posted by AOR
I believe our greatest miscommunication that I have finally ascertained is my Catholic definition of marriage.

Three hosts are recuired, the man, the woman, and God. If the presence of love is true and pure. And each give themselves totally from which they live the the true definition of love (the willing of good towards the other)

Originally posted by AOR
Also, sex before marriage is in it of itself lies and false promises. Just like you can say "why do they have to wait to give themselves fully til marriage?" I too can say "why would people have to lie and say "I give myself to you." and then break up to them the next day, weeks, months, whatever. If you truly love him/her, what would a minor detail do to your relationship?

When society decided that it would no longer decide the legitimacy of sexual relations between people, weddings became basically symbolic rather than substantive.
Weddings no longer give to people society' s permission to have sex and procreate.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well there's a problem with that definition, not everyone marries for love.

And not everyone is catholic/christian.

Originally posted by debbiejo

Well about half the marriages end in divorce in Christian homes just like non Christian homes. Almost 1 out of every 2. And what about those people that are no longer in those marriages? Are they supposed to wait for another marriage before the have a little roll in the hay?.....They're no longer virgins ya know.. 🙄

A) Marriages that form from atleast one party being a virgin have (and Im not sure, I'll try to find the statistics) a 300% chance of staying together.

B) As for the virgin thing, there has been a sky rocket of virgins in the last two decades. There have been more virgins that have walked into these past 5 years, than there have been in the accumulation of 20 (or so, I'm going by memory here.)

Marriages that form from atleast one party being a virgin have (and Im not sure, I'll try to find the statistics) a 300% chance of staying together

That is probably just because of the kind of people who would remain virgins until they were married. They would be stonger willed and all that. Its not because they were virgins.

Originally posted by AOR
And not everyone is catholic/christian.

Originally posted by AOR
And not everyone is catholic/christian...

So what? One Christian is the same as all Christians. 😆

Virginity makes no difference to how how you are married. My nana married my grandpa when she was two months pregnant. They were married for nearly 50 years before he passed away. My other nana and grandpa were married for over 45 years before my grandpa passed, and my grandparents weren't virgins. 🙂

Ohhh naughty Nana's...

Originally posted by AOR
And not everyone is catholic/christian.

A) Marriages that form from atleast one party being a virgin have (and Im not sure, I'll try to find the statistics) a 300% chance of staying together.

B) As for the virgin thing, there has been a sky rocket of virgins in the last two decades. There have been more virgins that have walked into these past 5 years, than there have been in the accumulation of 20 (or so, I'm going by memory here.)

Can I just say that these 'stats' of yours make no sense whatsoever?

You can't have more than a 100% chance of something, for one thing.

u should always try before u buy😄
say u wait until u were married until u lose ur virginity, only to find out ur partner is crap in bed!!!!Thats a unhappy marriage waiting to happen!!!

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
u should always try before u buy😄
say u wait until u were married until u lose ur virginity, only to find out ur partner is crap in bed!!!!Thats a unhappy marriage waiting to happen!!!

I so agree, no use finding your partner is impotent! 😛

😆 Or they're into some (bad)freaky stuff