Originally posted by debbiejo
Well I think Jesus taught "Love your neighbor as yourself" message, but the church distorted everything else........ 🙁
It depends on what church you go to. People in my church follow the same message. We may not agree with certain things about other people but we treat them as a soul in Christ's kingdom. And you dont win people over by treating them like dirt.
Originally posted by Storm
Sex can be an expression of love and intimacy if the people involved invest their acts with the right sorts of emotional and psychological commitment. If one values the physical, emotional, and psychological intimacy that can be created through sexual acts, then those acts will be meaningful to you and I fail to see it as a sin.
If you love someone that much then why not just marry them? If you love someone enough to take their virginity then why not love them enough to spend the rest of your life cherishing that fire? Maybe you live in a world were you think everyone does it for those reasons but they dont. More cases then none do it for self gratification.
Re: Is fornication a sin?
Originally posted by Xirius
Im seventeen, and Im Catholic.
Ive always pretty much taken it for granted that Id wait until I was married to have sex.......Now Im not so sure.
Is it really a sin to have sex outside of marriage?
It's always seemed to be more the whole Catholic church trying to control every aspect of life... it's not in the ten Commandments, nor is it one of the sins mentioned. Maybe it's mentioned elsewhere with all the other damnable offenses that mustn't have been important enough to be given their own commandment (though shall not fornicate, though shall not menstrate, though shall not wear fluro pink flairs etc)
Still, pish and poppy cock I say. There is nothing wrong with waiting for marriage or if it's important doing it sooner, that's your choice. Yours. Not an aging bishop or evil looking pope. Not a book hundreds of years old. Yours. The free will Christians say God gave us.
And besides. God kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden did he not? And did he not pretty much say "Eve, you'll sleep with Adam, because your punishment is having babies!" Or something like that. Were they married?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, but they are not the same.........and who cares anyway.
True, they are not the same but I can give you a scripture against each so you'd better say "who cares."
Um..that was before God set down the law for how the people should govern themselves. And how do you know they weren't married? Besides, we are Gods children and we are not judge he or his actions since we are in position to as humans.
Re: Re: Is fornication a sin?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Still, pish and poppy cock I say. There is nothing wrong with waiting for marriage or if it's important doing it sooner, that's your choice. Yours. Not an aging bishop or evil looking pope. Not a book hundreds of years old. Yours. The free will Christians say God gave us.
Originally posted by Punker69
If you love someone [B]that much then why not just marry them? If you love someone enough to take their virginity then why not love them enough to spend the rest of your life cherishing that fire? Maybe you live in a world were you think everyone does it for those reasons but they dont. More cases then none do it for self gratification. [/B]
Originally posted by Punker69Yeah, your right there is scripture....I don't know where my head was...must be the earth changes of the electro magnetic field doin something to my memory... 😕
True, they are not the same but I can give you a scripture against each so you'd better say "who cares."
Though I agree with Storm.
Originally posted by Storm
There is no need to commit to stay in a relationship if the relationship is one of love. The ultimate expression of love is not committing to love, honor, and obey a partner, but is found in the act of loving for love, and not out of duty. It is much more meaningful if love is maintained not because a couple has vowed to stay together, but because they truly love one another. Till death do us part... and perhaps it does, but marriage vows are broken every day.
I don' t take my partner for granted, and I treasure each day I spend with him.
Wow, I think the opposite. If I truly love someone then I would commit to being with them. Are you against marriage?
Originally posted by Punker69
Wow, I think the opposite. If I truly love someone then I would commit to being with them. Are you against marriage?
I am not against marriage, not at all. I can't ever get married, for one, and even if I cold, I don't think I would. Marriage just isn't for some people. People are quite happy to be committed to each other without a piece of paper to make it official.
More and more people are choosing to live together, without being married, anyway. Marriage is not as sacred nor as special as it once was.
Originally posted by Makedde
I am not against marriage, not at all. I can't ever get married, for one, and even if I cold, I don't think I would. Marriage just isn't for some people. People are quite happy to be committed to each other without a piece of paper to make it official.More and more people are choosing to live together, without being married, anyway. Marriage is not as sacred nor as special as it once was.
Well when you can do things that were only meant for marriage outside of marriage, what's the point of getting married? 🙄
Originally posted by Makedde
I am not against marriage, not at all. I can't ever get married, for one, and even if I cold, I don't think I would. Marriage just isn't for some people. People are quite happy to be committed to each other without a piece of paper to make it official.More and more people are choosing to live together, without being married, anyway. Marriage is not as sacred nor as special as it once was.
You make marriage sound so insignificant. Its more than just a peice of paper. Its an eternal bond between souls thats made official through a piece of paper.
Yes, I agreed its not as sacred and special as it once was. And thats the problem with todays society. They tell you that you dont need to get married and have that special bond with someone because free sex is so much more easier and care-free. It sickens me the message society is teaching kids nowadays. Wake up. Most kids that have premarital sex dont contain these "ultimate expressions of love" like storm said. They just want instant gratification without the responsibility of a wife or commitment.
Originally posted by Punker69
You make marriage sound so insignificant. Its more than just a peice of paper. Its an eternal bond between souls thats made official through a piece of paper.Yes, I agreed its not as sacred and special as it once was. And thats the problem with todays society. They tell you that you dont need to get married and have that special bond with someone because free sex is so much more easier and care-free. It sickens me the message society is teaching kids nowadays. Wake up. Most kids that have premarital sex dont contain these "ultimate expressions of love" like storm said. They just want instant gratification without the responsibility of a wife or commitment.
Society tells people they don't need to get married because people don't have to get married. If you love someone, you don't have to marry them if you don't want.
I would much rather not be married, because if the relationship ends, I can just walk out, rather than having to file for divorce and get dragged through court. Marriage places restrictions on a couple. If my relationship ended, I would want to just walk out, not go to court and get divorced.
Originally posted by Punker69In the end though it is just a piece of paper. And a wedding is just a single day. A bond between two people doesn't need to be vested into paper and it certainly shouldn't hinge upon a single day.
You make marriage sound so insignificant. Its more than just a peice of paper. Its an eternal bond between souls thats made official through a piece of paper.