Strong Guy vs. Sasquatch... ?

Originally posted by Maestro
Werewolf of night, don't really know much about him/her. Also how do the great beasts rank in power, where would you place them in the marvel hierarchy?, just so I know how powerful they are in general.

Basically WBN is just a werewolf, meh! Nothing to impressive. Yesh! they go up and down. Basically they are the Titans of Greek mythology to the Gods of the Arctic. I have no idea where to place them.
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Here's bios on the Great Beasts:
1. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5525/beasts.html
2. http://www.alphaflight.net/character_overviews/great_beasts/

Alpha Flight fights a manifestation of Tundra, not the full real one.
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Originally posted by Maestro
edit: Just read up on them, don't look too powerful, getting punkd in their own realms.

They never got punked, Somon is the one who controls them. If he goes down they attack themselves. However, Somon tricked Alpha FLight in thinking he was dead in order to steal Talisman, Northstar's and Aurora's soul. Alpha Flight even stated that they couldn't beat them just delay them for a moment.

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Edit: Here Somon kills half the team with Talisman who is Dr.Strange level and has the potential to even be stronger.
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He's not dead, It was all a trick. Basically he is like Loki.

Sorry King Mungi...I guess ur not listening to my point. The Thing doesnt get tired from walking around...he has superhuman stamina. Anyway, that writer always downplayed his power...placed him below Wonderman...actually he wrote the Thing as a superhuman class 5....he could barely lift a five ton weight. I would bet on Sasquatch beating that incarnation of the Thing as well. Class 100 Sasquatch>class 5 Thing

Originally posted by Wynndar
Sorry King Mungi...I guess ur not listening to my point. The Thing doesnt get tired from walking around...he has superhuman stamina. Anyway, that writer always downplayed his power...placed him below Wonderman...actually he wrote the Thing as a superhuman class 5....he could barely lift a five ton weight. I would bet on Sasquatch beating that incarnation of the Thing as well. Class 100 Sasquatch>class 5 Thing

but he stated that he was exhausted from walking around 😕. He also was suffering from lack of sleep so when Sasquatch found him he attacked him. He was desperately trying to find Walter in order for him to help his friend the Giant Man. Yet Sasquatch didn't beat him, so who do you think got the worst of it? Sasquatch did. Walter even compared the last hit to the Hulk, so he wasn't class 5 Thing here. If the writer downplayed Thing's abilities, good lord he must have despised Sasquatch as well.

Get it? Also in IC Walter said "Good thing you were here. I'm nowhere near as strong as Grimm." [It was the metal helmet thing]. That's bull.

Well I think the modern Thing is portrayed as being stronger than Sasq anyway. Sasquatch has some top notch demonstrations of strength back in the day though. But the writers have clearly been inconsistant with how they've compared the two. But like I said, that writer claimed the Thing could only lift about 5 tons.

How comparable do you guys think that Ben was when he was wearing the suit to his real self when Sasquatch kicked his @ss in AF #94?

Originally posted by Wynndar
Well I think the modern Thing is portrayed as being stronger than Sasq anyway. Sasquatch has some top notch demonstrations of strength back in the day though. But the writers have clearly been inconsistant with how they've compared the two. But like I said, that writer claimed the Thing could only lift about 5 tons.

Base maybe, but Sasquatch can always increase his strength. Like current Sasquatch has gone toe to toe with current Jugz twice and he is still class 100. Thing definetly wasn't 5 tons mark in that fight, even the old handbooks and even the ones today say Sasquatch was just 75 tons mark....uh huh. They also said he couldn't increase his strength, but that makes even less sense.

Walter can make magic happen with a tree, guy hits everyone with a tree at least once. [Thing, Jugz, Puck, Hulk, etc.]

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
How comparable do you guys think that Ben was when he was wearing the suit to his real self when Sasquatch kicked his @ss in AF #94?

No idea, tried to find information on that but found nada.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uh huh.....

Here Sasquatch tosses a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines are still on and 150,000 pounds of thrust yet he easily tossed it that far.
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Dragging a battle cruiser and lifting it out of the water
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Thing admits he is outclassed: "Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."
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Survives several hundred tons falling on him, unharmed. Also states he has the second strongest legs in the world.
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Sasquatch battled Thing before and dominated him, that was CIS with Walter's comment in Infinity Crusade. Good lord, She-Hulk at that time was in Thing's level, yet he beat her. Just stupid. Hell Sasquatch went toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. Hell, Sasquatch has gone toe to toe twice with current Jugz, who is still class 100.

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Dominated The THING i think not...

SHE-HULK may have been close to Ben's strength at the time but she wasn't then and never will be in the same class as a fighter as Ben and the same can be said for Sassy... A win over SHE-HULK isn't a win over Ben BTW.

Ben took Sassy's best shots (which Sassy couldn't believe BTW) and Ben was still cracking jokes and was starting to take it to Sassy when the fight stopped and they had to take out the LARGE indian demi-god.

But back to the question Sassy destroys Strongguy and quickly...

And only a Sassy lover would say the Infinity Crusade statement was B.S.

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Originally posted by Tony Stark

Dominated The THING i think not...

SHE-HULK may have been close to Ben's strength at the time but she wasn't then and never will be in the same class as a fighter as Ben and the same can be said for Sassy... A win over SHE-HULK isn't a win over Ben BTW.

Ben took Sassy's best shots (which Sassy couldn't believe BTW) and Ben was still cracking jokes and was starting to take it to Sassy when the fight stopped and they had to take out the LARGE indian demi-god.

But back to the question Sassy destroys Strongguy and quickly...

And only a Sassy lover would say the Infinity Crusade statement was B.S.
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Uh he did, Thing only had two decent shots. Good lord I remember this discussion and everyone agreed Sasquatch would win in a fight with Thing.

Ummm...why do you keep saying Ben is the greatest H2H fighter? he isn't. Also no I didn't say that a win over She-Hulk is a win over Thing. Good lord, it was a comment about Sasquatch saying Thing is much stronger than him. When he just battled She-Hulk who was in the same strength class as him. Get it? probally not.

No, Ben took a weakened Sasquatch's shot...as stated. Also Sasquatch was cracking jokes and didn't even want to fight. It was Thing that jumped him. No he wasn't he hit him with one big shot and then he got right back up.

Oh wow you sure got me 😘

Edit: Need I remind you...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

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Yes...but that was just the lovable class 5 Thing...fighting him to a standstill isnt much of an accomplishment. Wonderman utterly kicked his ass!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Seriously check out the thread, you will learn something. To written what they actually can do they are one of the strongest teams in Marvel history. Even do a search engine for Alpha Flight vs. threads here. Before you say they suck, do some research first.

No, he was getting dominated by Sasquatch. This was even a weakened Sasquatch he was fighting to. They later fight again in AF #94 when Thing is in the exo-suit and he gets dominated again.

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Your not going to go to the his transformation weakened him too much are you... How long does the weakness last? 5 min...10 min...20 min...?

You forget the part where Ben had been up for 3 days straight fighting and this was day 4 as he was trying to find a cure for his buddy Giant Man (Black version) and had been trouncing through the wilderness half the day. When he actually stated right before he bumped into Sassy he was beat and wished he could crash and rest but he knew he couldn't and save his main man Big G.

I think that even you'll admit that if it was someone who was in a weakened state it would have been Ben.

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Originally posted by Wynndar
Yes...but that was just the lovable class 5 Thing...fighting him to a standstill isnt much of an accomplishment. Wonderman utterly kicked his ass!

Uhhhh!!! No it wasn't. If it was, then they greatly depowered Sasquatch. Like I said the last blow he compared it to the Hulk's, I highly doubt he was class 5 here.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Your not going to go to the his transformation weakened him too much are you... How long does the weakness last? 5 min...10 min...20 min...?

You forget the part where Ben had been up for 3 days straight fighting and this was day 4 as he was trying to find a cure for his buddy Giant Man (Black version) and had been trouncing through the wilderness half the day. When he actually stated right before he bumped into Sassy he was beat and wished he could crash and rest but he knew he couldn't and save his main man Big G.

I think that even you'll admit that if it was someone who was in a weakened state it would have been Ben.

Often times, days. At this time he still had to reach a mantra state to transform. This fight wasn't long to begin with.

No, if you read the thread I commented on that several times. Like I said both were depowered, but who do you think got the worst of it? a guy who can press 250 tons fighting to a standstill with a character that is already exhausted?

I did! Several times. Dude your killing me.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
but he stated that he was exhausted from walking around 😕. He also was suffering from lack of sleep so when Sasquatch found him he attacked him. He was desperately trying to find Walter in order for him to help his friend the Giant Man.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uh he did, Thing only had two decent shots. Good lord I remember this discussion and everyone agreed Sasquatch would win in a fight with Thing.

Ummm...why do you keep saying Ben is the greatest H2H fighter? he isn't. Also no I didn't say that a win over She-Hulk is a win over Thing. Good lord, it was a comment about Sasquatch saying Thing is much stronger than him. When he just battled She-Hulk who was in the same strength class as him. Get it? probally not.

No, Ben took a weakened Sasquatch's shot...as stated. Also Sasquatch was cracking jokes and didn't even want to fight. It was Thing that jumped him. No he wasn't he hit him with one big shot and then he got right back up.

Oh wow you sure got me 😘

Edit: Need I remind you...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

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Lets go to your card this statement was CIS ...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

I didn't say Ben was Cap in the fighting department but i'd like you to name another powerhouse in Ben's league as a fighter... Marvel says he's a 5 out of 7.

It definately isn't Sassy who's probably a 3 maybe.

What about the part where Ben had been up and fighting for 3.5 days pre their fighting?

The Exo-skeleton that Ben used at one time when he was human i believe if my memory is correct put him in the 70 ton strength range...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Lets go to your card this staement was CIS ...."Sheesh! your bigger, stronger, talk better than me, and played pro football! There must be something I can beat you at."

I didn't say Ben was Cap in the fighting department but i'd like you to name another powerhouse in Ben's league as a fighter... Marvel says he's a 5 out of 7.

It definately isn't Sassy who's probably a 3 maybe.

What about the part where Ben had been up and fighting for 3.5 days pre their fighting?

The Exo-skeleton that Ben used at one time when he was human i believe if my memory is correct put him in the 70 ton strength range...

Why is it CIS? since at this time Sasquatch was going full toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. At this time Thing wasn't 100 class yet [75 tons], while Sasquatch was. So everything he said is true, he is bigger, he is a professor, he did play profootball and he was stronger.

Walter! he has been trained by Wolverine, Puck who are one of the top martial arts fighters. He is also a trained athelte, who from the handbook has the best agility compared to the power houses. He also has been trained by the covert Department H as well. Another would be Hercules.

I know, hence why i said he was weakened. This even goes with my point that Sasquatch was poorly depowered if he only fought Thing to a standstill.

Unknown, but we can't pull numbers out of our hats.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why is it CIS? since at this time Sasquatch was going full toe to toe with the Savage Hulk for over 30 minutes. At this time Thing wasn't 100 class yet [75 tons], while Sasquatch was. So everything he said is true, he is bigger, he is a professor, he did play profootball and he was stronger.

Walter! he has been trained by Wolverine, Puck who are one of the top martial arts fighters. He is also a trained athelte, who from the handbook has the best agility compared to the power houses. He also has been trained by the covert Department H as well. Another would be Hercules.

I know, hence why i said he was weakened. This even goes with my point that Sasquatch was poorly depowered if he only fought Thing to a standstill.

Unknown, but we can't pull numbers out of our hats.

Sassy may have been stronger at the time but only because of Ben's 3.5 days straight no sleep fighting leaving him exhausted and his frantic running around the planet to find a cure... No other reason.

Ben was CL85 as was Sassy at this time, never mind the fact that they both had had many feats that were CL100 during their past.

Niether one was CL100 at the time...

So you give me one powerhouse that is close to Ben's fighting skill Herc... I rest my case.

Like it or not Ben's a great fighter... Not good... GREAT... 5 of 7 for a "brick" ( a powerhouse... not because he's organic rock) is phenominal.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ben was CL85 as was Sassy at this time, never mind the fact that they both had had many feats that were CL100 during their past.

Niether one was CL100 at the time...

So you give me one powerhouse that is close to Ben's fighting skill Herc... I rest my case.

Like it or not Ben's a great fighter... Not good... GREAT... 5 of 7 for a "brick" ( a powerhouse... not because he's organic rock) is phenominal.

No your right he was 85, and no Sasquatch wasn't. They said he was 70 tons, but he actually was far stronger.

Actually Sasquatch was, his very first apperance was him lifting up the 250 ton plane and tossing it 1000 feet, while the engines were still on. He then went to lift up a battle cruiser and then battled the savage Hulk one on one. He was only until later they lowered his "base"
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and Walter....

No Ben IS a great fighter, no way am I taking that away from him. However, so is Walter and he is 10' tall and weighs 2000lbs and he is considered to be one of the most agile of the powerhouses. As well as trained by Puck and Wolverine.

Edit: I won't be back till 8pm tommorow, so just so you know I didn't vanish.

This isn't a Thing vs. Sasquatch comment, just to point out Sasquatch is underated:

Walter stopping a 6 story building from falling and holds it till Thing helps him stabalize it.
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Walter has heart, Ravanger is basically a god and has been kicking AF and Thing's butt. Yet he goes one on one with him and does quite well.
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If anyone does want to see Walter's battle with Exo-suit Ben it's posted in the respect thread.

Sasquatch rules...