JESUS DYIN FOR HUMANITY, GOD LOVING YOU, all pure CRAP

Originally posted by leonheartmm
think about it, christians hype up the death of jesus{not an hitorically proven fact but a relegious orientated one only given the dominion of fact by christian governments} to be this great act of sacrifice, but THINK ABOUT IT, what makes it that different from any other guy dyin in pain, he was crucified big deal, other people have been crucified, n many others have gone through much MUCH worse, i mean is is bein nailed to the cross n starvin really even close ot enough pain or sufferance for HUMANIY'S sins? many many people have suffered more in life. secondly god is said to love his creation but wont but will send them to hell if they dont worship or believe in his{neither of which wud mean CRAP to an omnipotent god} existance or power or soverignity, isnt that RIDICULOUS, its like burnin ants if they dont worship u any day, also even a MOTHER would die for a child that has given her misery all her life, her child can do the most hurtful things but a real mother would never stop loving him let alone punish him severely{a piunishment which can not even come close to matching HELL} n lets not forget that she is an imperfect HUMAN, who has limits to her patience/love etc, as stated by god, but seeing as sh FAR surpasses god in mercy, love n kindness, doesnt that render void, the claim that god IS LOVE? seeing as a human easily shows more love than god.

Are you an idiot? He suffered one of the most painful deaths at the time, plus he was more humiliated than most others who suffered the same death. Plus he lived a life much stricter than us.

Originally posted by Council#13
Are you an idiot? He suffered one of the most painful deaths at the time, plus he was more humiliated than most others who suffered the same death. Plus he lived a life much stricter than us.

Are you an idiot? Thousands of people suffered crucifiction. People are tortured to death around the world.

Nothing about Christ is special. You can claim he lived a "strict life" but no Bible is a biography, it doesn't mention much of anything about Jesus' life, just some time at the end of it.

Originally posted by Council#13
Are you an idiot? He suffered one of the most painful deaths at the time, plus he was more humiliated than most others who suffered the same death. Plus he lived a life much stricter than us.

Of course remember - his God wanted him to die in such a fashion.

Are you an idiot? Thousands of people suffered crucifiction. People are tortured to death around the world.

Nothing about Christ is special. You can claim he lived a "strict life" but no Bible is a biography, it doesn't mention much of anything about Jesus' life, just some time at the end of it.

Pretty much - the Bible even has him being put up between a couple of common criminals - Jesus was not a significant blip amongst all the others the Roman's (or other cultures) crucified. The only difference, if one believes the Bible, is that he went willingly to such a fate.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
think about it, christians hype up the death of jesus{not an hitorically proven fact but a relegious orientated one only given the dominion of fact by christian governments} to be this great act of sacrifice, but THINK ABOUT IT, what makes it that different from any other guy dyin in pain, he was crucified big deal, other people have been crucified, n many others have gone through much MUCH worse, i mean is is bein nailed to the cross n starvin really even close ot enough pain or sufferance for HUMANIY'S sins? many many people have suffered more in life. secondly god is said to love his creation but wont but will send them to hell if they dont worship or believe in his{neither of which wud mean CRAP to an omnipotent god} existance or power or soverignity, isnt that RIDICULOUS, its like burnin ants if they dont worship u any day, also even a MOTHER would die for a child that has given her misery all her life, her child can do the most hurtful things but a real mother would never stop loving him let alone punish him severely{a piunishment which can not even come close to matching HELL} n lets not forget that she is an imperfect HUMAN, who has limits to her patience/love etc, as stated by god, but seeing as sh FAR surpasses god in mercy, love n kindness, doesnt that render void, the claim that god IS LOVE? seeing as a human easily shows more love than god.

God forgives you(probably), but I don't.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Of course remember - his God wanted him to die in such a fashion.

Pretty much - the Bible even has him being put up between a couple of common criminals - Jesus was not a significant blip amongst all the others the Roman's (or other cultures) crucified. The only difference, if one believes the Bible, is that he went willingly to such a fate.

I'd take the 6000 gladiators that were crucifed on the road from Capua to Rome over one man claiming to be the son of god. (Thats one crucifix every .02 miles if my math is correct)

Originally posted by Alliance
I'd take the 6000 gladiators that were crucifed on the road from Capua to Rome over one man claiming to be the son of god. (Thats one crucifix every .02 miles if my math is correct)

Indeed. It must have been quite a sight. As terrible as it might sound to some it would have been interesting to have seen it from a Roman perspective, to get to grips with what they really felt when they saw such a thing.

The Roman philosophy on crucifixtion is fascinating. I have done some extensive research on Roman gladiators and dabbled in the philosphy of Roman punishment there.

The Romans would have found the moden day use of the crucifix rather hilarious imo. They obviously had a sense of humor. The whole "King of Jews" thing with the crown of thorns makes me laugh. Form thier persepective, its brilliant.

Originally posted by Alliance
The Roman philosophy on crucifixtion is fascinating. I have done some extensive research on Roman gladiators and dabbled in the philosphy of Roman punishment there.

The Romans would have found the moden day use of the crucifix rather hilarious imo. They obviously had a sense of humor. The whole "King of Jews" thing with the crown of thorns makes me laugh. Form thier persepective, its brilliant.

I would imagine, and I admit I would share their humor on the use of the crucifix in modern religion, it really is kind of a morbid addition to the whole "love and peace" claims of Christianity.

It would be an fascinating subject, one I might look into one of these days in more depth. I know there use to be a course at my uni based up Roman and Greek laws but I believe the chap did it died. But then he was quite ancient, so I guess I can't blame him.

Laugh. Lets just say I spend too much time in the Greek and Latin reading room, though I admit that I can't read either.

(luckily for me, most have greek/Latin on one page, and an english translation on the other)

Originally posted by Alliance
Laugh. Lets just say I spend too much time in the Greek and Latin reading room, though I admit that I can't read either.

(luckily for me, most have greek/Latin on one page, and an english translation on the other)

Loeb classical library editions?

No, they wer publsihed a while ago. I dont remember the series names, but they were transleted during a rather large cross-section of the 20th century, from the 1910's (Appain) to the 1980's (Florus).

I actually wrote my paper on the Roman Response to the Spartacus war a sign of the downfall of the Republic, so I had a fairly narrow range of scholars I used. But, I used other authors for other smaller projects.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
think about it, christians hype up the death of jesus{not an hitorically proven fact but a relegious orientated one only given the dominion of fact by christian governments} to be this great act of sacrifice, but THINK ABOUT IT, what makes it that different from any other guy dyin in pain, he was crucified big deal, other people have been crucified, n many others have gone through much MUCH worse, i mean is is bein nailed to the cross n starvin really even close ot enough pain or sufferance for HUMANIY'S sins? many many people have suffered more in life. secondly god is said to love his creation but wont but will send them to hell if they dont worship or believe in his{neither of which wud mean CRAP to an omnipotent god} existance or power or soverignity, isnt that RIDICULOUS, its like burnin ants if they dont worship u any day, also even a MOTHER would die for a child that has given her misery all her life, her child can do the most hurtful things but a real mother would never stop loving him let alone punish him severely{a piunishment which can not even come close to matching HELL} n lets not forget that she is an imperfect HUMAN, who has limits to her patience/love etc, as stated by god, but seeing as sh FAR surpasses god in mercy, love n kindness, doesnt that render void, the claim that god IS LOVE? seeing as a human easily shows more love than god.

Originally posted by Alliance
A path that none can follow, that doesnt even make sense because flesh can't enter your heavan, and we all still die anyway.

"Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Since we're all flesh then...were stuck.

Originally posted by Alliance
Since we're all flesh then...were stuck.

Correct.

"None is righteous, no, not one; no one who understands; no one who seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." Rom. 3:11,12

Originally posted by ska57
Correct.

"None is righteous, no, not one; no one who understands; no one who seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." Rom. 3:11,12

Originally posted by ska57
Correct.

"None is righteous, no, not one; no one who understands; no one who seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." Rom. 3:11,12

So no one goes to heaven ever?

Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - 50-70 A.D.

Hebrews = unknown, best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.

Paul Paul Paul all written by Paul.........I believe we should throw these books out.......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Quit quoting Paul........What is it with these Paul worshippers and not Jesus worshippers...

"...knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:20,21

Originally posted by debbiejo
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - 50-70 A.D.

Hebrews = unknown, best guesses are Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - 65 A.D.

Paul Paul Paul all written by Paul.........I believe we should throw these books out.......

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..." 2 Timothy 3:16