Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well what about the time Hulk beat Glads? Was that PIS also?The much weaker 616 teenage Colossus knocked Juggy on his @ss a few times.
No. Hulk is strong/durable enough to get the job done. He's still an underdog against Glads, but I'd believe it if he won.
And when did 6161 Colossus ever beat Juggs? Maybe he got some decent shots in (they're always decent battles) but Col isn't a huge threat to Juggs. Besides, early on Juggs was more about his durability than his strength...it's possible he got knocked over a few times in a fight. Getting knocked down and losing are two very different things....as the Gambit/Glads scan above me shows.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Whats the diffrences between Ultimate Thor, and 616?
The lack of a decent feat. LOL.
But yeah, he'd give him a decent fight, but he's still outclassed....especially in speed. Glads sometimes jobs but if he's written anywhere near where he should, Ultimate C is in trouble.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
I know it was a skrull, but skrulls are 75% of the real things. Now if 616 Colossus a much weaker Colossus than Ultimate took 2 75% skrulls out with ease dont you think Ultimate Colossus could give Glads a fight?Whats the diffrences between Ultimate Thor, and 616?
And where the hell did you get that Skrulls are 75% of the original? Because they really are not...
And the difference between Ultimate Thor and 616 are that 616 is about thousand times more powerful then Ultimate.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And where the hell did you get that Skrulls are 75% of the original? Because they really are not...And the difference between Ultimate Thor and 616 are that 616 is about thousand times more powerful then Ultimate.
And thats where you start making stuff up, where is it staed that 616 Thor is a thousand times stronger than Ultimate?
Exactly how strong are skrulls then if you know?
Is Ultimate Ironman, and Ironman the same thing, because if so Ultimate Colossus took him out with ease also.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Here's more scans im not saying Ultimate Colossus would win, but to be taken out in seconds? come on now. Ultimate Colossus takes Cyclops blast with no damage I think he can take glads heat vision.
Being an X-fan your knowledge is pretty suspect... Cyclops optic beams aren't hot what so ever... They are concussive blasts...So whether or not Ult Colossus showed no ill effect from them really has no baring on whether or not Gladiators heat vision which "IS" hotter than the sun would damage Ultimate Colossus...
Which I most definately think would.
If both characters are writen to the best of their abilities Gladiator doesn't even stand a .000000000000000001% chance of losing to Ultimate Colossus.
BTW Ulimate IM isn't anywhere close to being in 616 IM's class.
Ult. Colossus gets absolutely curbstomped. 20/10. Seriously, this is a huge mismatch.
About the Glads/Hulk fight.... Gladiator was NOT beaten before Hulk smashed him into the nuclear reactor that just conveniantly had the type of radiation he's vunerable to. He was stunned after a stupid moment in the fight. The entire Hulk/Glads fight should really never be used as an example of anything. the whole fight is just one big PIS festival. It's terrible. And i'm not saying that because Gladiator lost. I think that Hulk could beat Gladiator, but the way he did it in that fight was terrible. Read the fight, you'll understand.
So what about The 616 Colossus Gladiator fight? or does that not count.
I only read that Glads beams are as hot as some stars, and not all stars are as hot as the star we call the sun.
Where does it ever say that 616 Ironman is stronger than Ultimate, 616 Thor is stronger than Ultimate, 616 Magneto is stronger than Ultimate? I've never read about it anywhere have you?
Every fight Ultimate Colossus is in he's out of his league. I bet you before the Ultimate Colossus Ultimate Thor/Ultimate Ironman fight people were saying the same thing.....
Ultimate Colossus is out of his league
Originally posted by soujaboy09
So what about The 616 Colossus Gladiator fight? or does that not count.I only read that Glads beams are as hot as some stars, and not all stars are as hot as the star we call the sun.
Where does it ever say that 616 Ironman is stronger than Ultimate, 616 Thor is stronger than Ultimate, 616 Magneto is stronger than Ultimate? I've never read about it anywhere have you?
Every fight Ultimate Colossus is in he's out of his league. I bet you before the Ultimate Colossus Ultimate Thor/Ultimate Ironman fight people were saying the same thing.....
Ultimate Colossus is out of his league
Can Ult. Colossus beat Superman? Cause in the vs. Forum we're supposed to take the characters best showings in mind, they fight at the best we've seen them. Gladiator's best is on par with Superman's best. So if you think Colossus can beat Gladiator, then you must think he can beat Superman right?
Y'know, it's alright to admit that you're favourite character loses a fight. If he's really your favoutrite character, it shouldn't matter. Go and look in the Gladiator respect thread, then come back and tell me that Ult. Colossus could beat him...
And hopefully, with the introduction of Lilandra in the recent Ultimate X-Men issue, Ult. Gladiator won't be far behind, and we'll get to see the Ult. versions go at it. I'd definately love to see that.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiDude you are seriously mistaken. Hulk drug Glads by his cape into the nuclear reactor. Glads was in no shape to fight back.About the Glads/Hulk fight.... Gladiator was NOT beaten before Hulk smashed him into the nuclear reactor that just conveniantly had the type of radiation he's vunerable to. He was stunned after a stupid moment in the fight. The entire Hulk/Glads fight should really never be used as an example of anything. the whole fight is just one big PIS festival. It's terrible. And i'm not saying that because Gladiator lost. I think that Hulk could beat Gladiator, but the way he did it in that fight was terrible. Read the fight, you'll understand.
Seriously he was beat before that.
Originally posted by snoopdoggYeah yeah. If he was beaten at that point, why did the writer feel it necassary to have the reactor at all? Why not just got straight to Hulk beating on him like he did after the reactor? IMO, because the writer felt that Glads was not beaten at that time.
Dude you are seriously mistaken. Hulk drug Glads by his cape into the nuclear reactor. Glads was in no shape to fight back.Seriously he was beat before that.
Anyway, i'm willing to accept that Gladiator lost that fight. But you're just letting your fanboy side get the better of you if you think Ult Colossus can beat Gladiator.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiI never said he would win. Don't call me a fanboy.
Yeah yeah. If he was beaten at that point, why did the writer feel it necassary to have the reactor at all? Why not just got straight to Hulk beating on him like he did after the reactor? IMO, because the writer felt that Glads was not beaten at that time.Anyway, i'm willing to accept that Gladiator lost that fight. But you're just letting your fanboy side get the better of you if you think Ult Colossus can beat Gladiator.
I just think it's funny people ignore the fact that a weaker 616 Colossus went toe to toe with him and that Ult. Colossus looses in a nanosecond. Or they start cryin PIS or CIS or that it don't count.
Your right Hulk could just have finished him off before that be he did not. I guess he wanted to put Kallark in his place I guess.
Originally posted by snoopdoggI tend to think of it as a low showing for Glads instead of a high showing for Colossus because, (correct me if i'm wrong) Colossus doesn't have any (or has hardly any at all) other high showings like that against herald/cosmic level characters. Kallark on the other hand has plenty of low showings against people he should be able to take out in no time at all. It's much more common for Kallark to job, than it is for Colossus to have a high showing like that. That's why i see it as a low showing for Kallark.
I never said he would win. Don't call me a fanboy.I just think it's funny people ignore the fact that a weaker 616 Colossus went toe to toe with him and that Ult. Colossus looses in a nanosecond. Or they start cryin PIS or CIS or that it don't count.
Ultimate Colossus has defeated herald/cosmic level characters as you say(Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Ironman, Ultimate Magneto) but when we put these feats up people just say that These forms of the character are weaker than the 616 counterpartt when in fact theres no proof of that. So what can we put up since the feats he does accomplish are blown off?
Whats so hard to get about Ultimate Colossus is stronger than his 616 counterpart, and the 616 counterpart stood toe to toe with Glads? No Ultimate Colossus wont win I never said that what I did say is Ultimate Colossus would not get beat in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
In the post of yours that i quoted you say.."Ultimate Colossus is out of his league"
Were you not talking about Gladiator?
No I was quoting what the person before me said, that Ultimate Colossus is out of his league when in act he's not. A much weaker version of Colossus stood toe to toe with him then why cant a stronger version? I dont understand that please explain.
Because that was a low showing for Kallark. Since then we've seen him destroy planets, fly through stars, survive and contain Nova explosions, fly extremely fast and a lot more things that just put him too far out of Ult or 616 Colossus' league for him to be a challenge. And yes, we've also seen a lot more low showings from Gladiator that would actually make it seem like Colossus could give him a fight. But unless it specified by the topic creator that we're only using Glads low showings, then forum rules say we use a characters best showings. And neither Colossus can compete with Kallarks best showings.
Now, a better fight to debate would be Ult. Colossus taking on Gladiator at the same power level he was when 616 Colossus gave him a challenge. That would be debatable.
