Yeah that would be a better debate. I would give colosus the majorty on that one.
Why are the showings of hero's surviving a supernova never considered PIS. The destrotive power is unlike anything we could imagin. If a hero can survive a blast like that then anything that happens to them on earth that can hurt then in anyway should destroy the earth and we know that isn't so for a lot of the heros that survive geting thown into the sun or another star.
Now im not saying Colossus will win this fight, but how can you say Glads fight with 616 Colossus was a low moment for Glads when it was in fact a low moment for Colossus also. 616 Colossus now is stronger than 616 Colossus then, and Ultimate Colossus is stronger than both. 616 Colossus took out Cannonball, and Cannonball took out Glads, Colossus is a force to be reckon with in the 616 Universe, and is stated by marvel itself that he's able to fight even Juggernaut in h2h combat the man took out Mr.Sinister for God's sake. Now Ultimate Colossus who is far stronger than his 616 counterpart gets taken out in a nanosecond? Ultimate Colossus took out Ultimate Thor, and Ultimate Ironman in the same issue, and handed Magnetos his ass to. The man has yet to be damaged in the Ultimate Universe not once has he been injured he may have been ko'd, but never injured. What else does he have to do? You say Ultimate Ironman, Ultimate Thor, and Ultimate Magneto aren't as good as there 616 counterparts when in fact it has been shown nowhere that they arent. Not even A small nuke could damage Colossus, and every feat I post you say is PIS, when I could say the same things about Glads feats. Ultimate Colossus has taken out some of the strongest characters in the Ultimate Universe yet he still gets beat in a nanosecond by the same person who gave his all to take out a much weaker 616 Colossus.
Well, i never said Glads would win this fight in nanosecond, nor have i called anything PIS. All i've said is that the fight between 616 Colossus and Kallark was a very low showing for Gladiator.
Anyway, you obviously haven't been paying attention to my posts, cause you don't seem to be understanding me. And i really can't be bothered typing the same thing over and over.
My post wasn't referenced towards you it was general, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Ive read your post, and I get what your saying that if Glads can survive going through stars, and whatever that 616 Colossus shouldn't have stood a chance, well thats saying that either marvel comic book writers need to get on the same page or 616 Colossus durability rivals glads.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
You say Ultimate Ironman, Ultimate Thor, and Ultimate Magneto aren't as good as there 616 counterparts when in fact it has been shown nowhere that they arent. Not even A small nuke could damage Colossus, and every feat I post you say is PIS, when I could say the same things about Glads feats. Ultimate Colossus has taken out some of the strongest characters in the Ultimate Universe yet he still gets beat in a nanosecond by the same person who gave his all to take out a much weaker 616 Colossus.
Jesus...
Okay....read what I am writing here.
Ultimate Iron Man got his ass handed from Ultimate Hulk who is much, much, much weaker then 616 Hulk (who takes nuclear bombs and lifts entire islands - Ultimate Hulk isn't as strong). 616 Iron Man has defeated 616 Hulk with a punch. 616 Iron Man is STRONGER, UNLESS Ultimate shows anything close to 616 Iron Man, which he HASN'T.
Ultimate Thor was powerless after his belt was taken away. Got defeated by Ultimate Colossus. 616 Thor has (pics taken from Thor Respect Thread):
Defeated Thanos: http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight22ty.gif
Defeated Gladiator with amazing ease (don't even dare to say that Ultimate Colossus could do the same):
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorglads17mj.png
http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorglads21wj.png
http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorglads38xn.png
Gone toe to toe with exitar, a celestial:
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=030212100605&q=Scans
Driven Galactus away:
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=030215092355&q=Scans
Lifted an serpent size of our planet:
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?rpl=020330060210&q=scans
Ultimate Thor doesn't hold a candle, and you really should accept the facts.
And as for Ultimate Magneto, he hasn't shown anything near the power level of 616 Magneto.
The only diffrence I see in the Ultimate Universe, and the 616 Universe is the time periods in which they are made. Now days people want more realistic comics, and this why you dont see now what you wants saw then. You will never see what you once saw in comics out of anyone in the 616 Universe or the Ultimate. So Hulk in the Ultimate Universe can be just as strong as Hulk in the 616 Universe, because thats how the writers wrtite it not just because Thor hasnt drug a giant snake away from the world. It seems that writers now want to put real situations in the comics so your feats up there are PIS as you like to say.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
The only diffrence I see in the Ultimate Universe, and the 616 Universe is the time periods in which they are made. Now days people want more realistic comics, and this why you dont see now what you wants saw then. You will never see what you once saw in comics out of anyone in the 616 Universe or the Ultimate. So Hulk in the Ultimate Universe can be just as strong as Hulk in the 616 Universe, because thats how the writers wrtite it not just because Thor hasnt drug a giant snake away from the world. It seems that writers now want to put real situations in the comics so your feats up there are PIS as you like to say.
I agree totally .... but the Hand book is a good guide to go by, and Gladiator is listed as Level 7 and Ultimate Colossus is a Level 6. With all his extra abilities Gladiator takes this 10/10
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I agree totally .... but the Hand book is a good guide to go by, and Gladiator is listed as Level 7 and Ultimate Colossus is a Level 6. With all his extra abilities Gladiator takes this 10/10
Either im still half drunk from last night or you just edited this. Did you just say Colossus was level 7 as well just a minute ago or am i going mad? That was freaky lol
Were all crazy, anyways Darkcrawler tell me what makes you think 616 Thor is stronger than Ultimate Thor when its stated nowhere? You say feats show all, but in reality they don't. Different writers write Different ways so this means one day you can see Thor drive Galactus away, and in the next see him lose with ease in a fight with Juggernaut he actually did worse then 616 Colossus did. You keep bringing up feats, who cares? the fact still remains that marvel has intended for some of the Ultimate Characters to be just as strong there 616 counterparts, there just trying to make the Ultimate Universe more realistic with real situations. I said it once, and ill say it again we will never see what we once saw in comics 616 or Ultimate Universe. If you don't believe me, why do you think there throwing politics into the Ultimate Universe? Or why are they introducing gay characters in comics? Times change so comics have to change thats just who it is, you have to go with want people want.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Were all crazy, anyways Darkcrawler tell me what makes you think 616 Thor is stronger than Ultimate Thor when its stated nowhere? You say feats show all, but in reality they don't. Different writers write Different ways so this means one day you can see Thor drive Galactus away, and in the next see him lose with ease in a fight with Juggernaut he actually did worse then 616 Colossus did. You keep bringing up feats, who cares? the fact still remains that marvel has intended for some of the Ultimate Characters to be just as strong there 616 counterparts, there just trying to make the Ultimate Universe more realistic with real situations. I said it once, and ill say it again we will never see what we once saw in comics 616 or Ultimate Universe. If you don't believe me, why do you think there throwing politics into the Ultimate Universe? Or why are they introducing gay characters in comics? Times change so comics have to change thats just who it is, you have to go with want people want.
here a simple way. until Ultimate Thor shows any feat comparable to 616 Thor you can't compare the two. One took on Galactus and a Celestial the other got knocked out by Ultimate Colossus.
They can "intend" all they want. until they show something comparable in feats between the two they won't be comparable.
Tell me then whens the last time 616 Thor did something as huge as he once did. I know he's strong no doubt one of the if not the strongest character in the marvel universe, but what has he done in the last 6 years?
Whats the difference between Ultimate Ironman, and 616 Ironman it seems to me nothing. Again can you name what big thing 616 Ironman has done in the last 6 years not saying he's done nothing.
Ultimate Magneto seems to me to be the same character as 616 Magneto just a little more deranged.
Has marvel stated that these characters are weaker than there counterparts?
For those who want to go by the handbook I dont, but for those few what are the stats for The Ultimate characters I just named, and there 616 counterparts?
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Were all crazy, anyways Darkcrawler tell me what makes you think 616 Thor is stronger than Ultimate Thor when its stated nowhere? You say feats show all, but in reality they don't. Different writers write Different ways so this means one day you can see Thor drive Galactus away, and in the next see him lose with ease in a fight with Juggernaut he actually did worse then 616 Colossus did. You keep bringing up feats, who cares? the fact still remains that marvel has intended for some of the Ultimate Characters to be just as strong there 616 counterparts, there just trying to make the Ultimate Universe more realistic with real situations. I said it once, and ill say it again we will never see what we once saw in comics 616 or Ultimate Universe. If you don't believe me, why do you think there throwing politics into the Ultimate Universe? Or why are they introducing gay characters in comics? Times change so comics have to change thats just who it is, you have to go with want people want.
#1
The Handbooks say it all 616 THOR is a lvl 7 in strength always has.
Ultimate Handbook says Ultimate THOR is a lvl 6 in strength.
#2
Read any of the Caps, IMs, BPs, DDs, or Avengers throughout time and you'll see plenty of politics all of the time. They've always got the Pres. or the Sec. Def (Tony Stark), or congressmen... Etc...
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Tell me then whens the last time 616 Thor did something as huge as he once did. I know he's strong no doubt one of the if not the strongest character in the marvel universe, but what has he done in the last 6 years?Whats the difference between Ultimate Ironman, and 616 Ironman it seems to me nothing. Again can you name what big thing 616 Ironman has done in the last 6 years not saying he's done nothing.
Ultimate Magneto seems to me to be the same character as 616 Magneto just a little more deranged.
Has marvel stated that these characters are weaker than there counterparts?
For those who want to go by the handbook I dont, but for those few what are the stats for The Ultimate characters I just named, and there 616 counterparts?
Ultimate Thor feats don't hold a candle to 616 Thor's feats. It doesn't matter if they are done in the last 6 years or not, but he has! I showed you pictures of 616 Thor doing huge feats, but you just choose to ignore them. Why do you need feats from the last six years? 616 Thor is simply stronger, because Ultimate Thor hasn't done ANYTHING remotely close to the stuff 616 has, in same way that Ultimate Colossus is stronger then 616 Colossus, because 616 hasn't done greater feats. You are being a hypocrite. You say that Ultimate Colossus is stronger then 616, because he has done greater feats, but in the same time you won't accept that 616 Thor is more powerful then Ultimate because he has done greater feats. You contradict yourself.
THE-CHARACTERS-ARE-WEAKER-THEN-THEIR-COUNTERPARTS-UNLESS
THEY-DO-SIMILAR-OR-GREATER-FEATS...
WHICH THEY HAVEN'T!!
If you still don't get it, you are a lost cause and I don't know what else to say.
616 Thor is more powerful then Ultimate. Everyone else accept it.
