Originally posted by King_Mungi
He's a little PO'ed that SC made some comments about kicking people in the face and he is already down 2 judge votes.
As far as I can tell, Whirly's the only judge to vote so far. DC said he voted stormfront if SS didn't return, (he was AWOL for about a day...) but he's back now, and kicking people wicked hard, apparently. If you count DC, it's 1-1.
Originally posted by Dizzle
You drafted AOA Aurora, NOT 616 Aurora. As 616 Aurora is currently pushing the speed cap, and was banned, it's illegal to argue using her feats.Kicking people wicked hard in the face doesn't break any rules... Arguing that your character is identical to another that got banned already is.
let's try this again.
if two characters have roughly the same speed, and one does something psecific that the other can do and is completley within their capabilities, why is the other not capable of the same thing? your basically saying that even though AOA aurora has super-seed, she can't do anything alike 616 because they are from different realities. it's really not that hard to understand, i mean is 616 aurora uses her speed to create a whirlwind, then what excatley stops AOA from doing the same thing? nothing stops her. that is my point. if 616 aurora uses her light to blind someone, then why can't AOA aurora? get it, nothing stops her.
They don't have roughly the same speed because you never quantified her AoA speed, all you said was that she was below the limit. 616 Aurora isn't below the limits - she wasn't allowed. They aren't comparable.
Mimic never spun around to create a whirlwind and he never "nearly defeated Hyperion". After this had been pointed out to you by both Scoobless and I you continued to say he had. He knocked him down briefly, and was royally fukd up afterwards. He had Northstar's banned speed at the time and was using Northstar's banned speed.
UXN summaries aren't canon.
Getting kicked wicked hard hurts bad.
Originally posted by stormfront13
let's try this again.if two characters have roughly the same speed, and one does something psecific that the other can do and is completley within their capabilities, why is the other not capable of the same thing? your basically saying that even though AOA aurora has super-seed, she can't do anything alike 616 because they are from different realities. it's really not that hard to understand, i mean is 616 aurora uses her speed to create a whirlwind, then what excatley stops AOA from doing the same thing? nothing stops her. that is my point. if 616 aurora uses her light to blind someone, then why can't AOA aurora? get it, nothing stops her.
If she's never tried a whirlwind attack then what makes you think it'd suddenly occur to her to try it in this match?
Experience matters as much, if not more, than powers in some cases.... when Thor first received Mjolnir he didn't know a fraction of what it was capable of..... just because he had the power in his hands didn't mean he knew how to use it the same way he could in his Avengers days
Clarify Aurora wasn't allowed at the time because of her speed [since we didn't know her top speed], but due to her molecule manipulation and hypnotism.
616 Aurora is badass🙂
1. http://photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/?action=view¤t=AF_109_Aurora.jpg
Originally posted by King_Mungi616 Aurora is irrelevant... as is Alpha Flight after the next New Avengers IIRC... 😏
616 Aurora is badass🙂
1. http://photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/?action=view¤t=AF_109_Aurora.jpg
If you choose a version of the character, you use the version of the character.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
616 Aurora is irrelevant... as is Alpha Flight after the next New Avengers IIRC... 😏If you choose a version of the character, you use the version of the character.
Pfft...they can still kick everyones ass.
Eh? I'm not in this arguement. Oh yeah I edited my post before your reply.
Originally posted by stormfront13
yeah you did, that i'm positive of...though you've posted tons of places.
No I haven't you're a liar. If it's in loads of places you should be able to find it. I did say your argument was far fetched in the street tourny and you made stuff up! This I have said this about many of your arguments. 🙂 Clarified? - Good!. You're a liar and your arguments are far fetched! Two more reasons I have not voted for you!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They don't have roughly the same speed because you never quantified her AoA speed, all you said was that she was below the limit. 616 Aurora isn't below the limits - she wasn't allowed. They aren't comparable.Mimic never spun around to create a whirlwind and he never "nearly defeated Hyperion". After this had been pointed out to you by both Scoobless and I you continued to say he had. He knocked him down briefly, and was royally fukd up afterwards. He had [b]Northstar
's banned speed at the time and was using Northstar's banned speed.UXN summaries aren't canon.
Getting kicked wicked hard hurts bad. [/B]
okay, dizzle said auroras speed was fine for this, the reason she was banned was due to her molecule ability, and her hypnotism ability. once again, people use uxn as a reliable source for this board when it comes to issue summaries, i just happened to pick the wrong one. you can go there and read the summary yourself, that's what it said happened. i figured if people use it to prove points here all the time, then what was the difference between when they do it and when i do it. and you never said anything about hyperion, the only thing you ever talked about was the whole sand thing. this is just ridiclous, i minus well give up. if people actually think that kicking someone in the face is enough to win a fight, when the person they are trying to kick has superhuman durability, superhuman reflexes, a force-field, and superhuman speed, then why even bother entering a tourney if that's all it takes is to say...well i'll just kick you..there, i win.
If she's never tried a whirlwind attack then what makes you think it'd suddenly occur to her to try it in this match?
considering we're the people who are bascally running the way our team fights, then creating a whirlwind is completley plausable. AOA aurora has tons of expierence with her powers...she was one of apocolypse's elite force afterall.
If you choose a version of the character, you use the version of the character
what is so hard to understand about this? they have the same powers- they both have a lot of expierence using the powers- if one version does something that is within the others capabilities, then why can't they do it? what excatley is stopping them..please answer me that? nothing. this is like saying that if storm flies on wind, then another character who has just as much skill with wind isn't able to ride on wind as well. also, in the past people have chosen alternate universe characters and used their 616 counterparts feats, and no one brought up an arguement, not even you...so what's the difference now?
No I haven't you're a liar. If it's in loads of places you should be able to find it. I did say your argument was far fetched in the street tourny and you made stuff up! This I have said this about many of your arguments. Clarified? - Good!. You're a liar and your arguments are far fetched! Two more reasons I have not voted for you!
yes you have, and you completley missunderstood what i said. you post a lot, meaning that it is taking forever to find the quote, besides, you didn't even say it directly to me. the only thing i have made up was the sand storm, which was an honest mistake, and i explained why i thought it was okay. nothing in my arguement in this tourney is far-fetched, and i only made a mistake, so that one incident is hardly clarified as lying. you on the other hand are being far-fetched...thinking that a kick could defeat an entire team.
Originally posted by stormfront13
let's try this again.if two characters have roughly the same speed, and one does something psecific that the other can do and is completley within their capabilities, why is the other not capable of the same thing? your basically saying that even though AOA aurora has super-seed, she can't do anything alike 616 because they are from different realities. it's really not that hard to understand, i mean is 616 aurora uses her speed to create a whirlwind, then what excatley stops AOA from doing the same thing? nothing stops her. that is my point. if 616 aurora uses her light to blind someone, then why can't AOA aurora? get it, nothing stops her.
Doesn't matter. Aurora cruises at the speed cap, and it has been shown that she can push herself beyond this, effectively putting her beyond the limits. The story was the same with Northstar. AOA Aurora can't speed up molecules and has never shown the ability to actually go beyond mach 10, and so 616 Aurora feats are illegal, as 616 Aurora herself is illegal. Continue to attempt to parallel the two and she WILL be removed from this tournament.
Originally posted by stormfront13
yes you have, and you completley missunderstood what i said. you post a lot, meaning that it is taking forever to find the quote.
You said you knew what thread it was in, I would have thought it would be very quick!! Reason you can't find it you're a liar. The reason I voted against you is your argument is not as good as SS's, we have seen your little tantrums before.
Here you say its in this thread.
Originally posted by stormfront13
y the only reason i can think of you voting against me is because you don't like me. i mean you came out and said that you voted against me in the street level because you didn't like me.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Doesn't matter. Aurora cruises at the speed cap, and it has been shown that she can push herself beyond this, effectively putting her beyond the limits. The story was the same with Northstar. AOA Aurora can't speed up molecules and has never shown the ability to actually go beyond mach 10, and so 616 Aurora feats are illegal, as 616 Aurora herself is illegal. Continue to attempt to parallel the two and she WILL be removed from this tournament.
you don't get it...i'm not going to bother...by your way, AOA aurora is basically useless because 616 has done everything AOA can also do and since i can't use anything 616 aurora has done,so..anyway everyone thinks that warpath would be able to defeat everyone on my team when he tries to kick them in the face. this might be my last post considering everything
phantazia is able to shut down both booster gold and machine man, i have provided proof of her being able to affect technology, even future technology. spider has provided ntohing that shows them capable of resisting. hmmmm....616 aurora has also acted with her superhuman reactions, am i allowed to do the same here? anyway, aurora acts and takes on warpath. warpath doesn't have the reaction time to handel aurora, and she can easily blind him with her light. phantazia is assisting aurora by hitting warpath with a bio-blast and affectivley making his powers unstable, and doing a lot of damage. now just an overload of electricity and a few concussive blasts, and warpaths out. that only leaves firebird. mimic alone could take her. with his metal skin, it will take time to get enough heat to mimic, and with vindicator there, the fire wouldn't even be able to reach mimic. it would only take one or two optic blasts to take her. even if somehow phantazia wasn't able to affect booster gold and machine man, then vindicator takes on machine man and phantazia takes on booster gold. mimic still only needs 30 seconds to take firebird, then assists phantazia with booster gold. they would definitley be able to take him down together. aurora can take warpath..she's too fast for him, he wouldn't be able to touch her, and she can also hit him 1,000 times in a second. vindicator is more than capable of taking down machine man, or at least dealing with him long enough to get asistance.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You said you knew what thread it was in, I would have thought it would be very quick!! Reason you can't find it you're a liar. The reason I voted against you is your argument is not as good as SS's, we have seen your little tantrums before.Here you say its in this thread.
you quoted me, where in that little paragraph did i say i knew where it was? i didn't, i said i have to search for it. i'm not lying, i know for a fact that you siad that was the reason you voted against me. ss's arguement is to kick my characters in the face. that's not even possible.
Originally posted by stormfront13
you don't get it...i'm not going to bother...by your way, AOA aurora is basically useless because 616 has done everything AOA can also do and since i can't use anything 616 aurora has done,so..anyway everyone thinks that warpath would be able to defeat everyone on my team when he tries to kick them in the face. this might be my last post considering everythingphantazia is able to shut down both booster gold and machine man, i have provided proof of her being able to affect technology, even future technology. spider has provided ntohing that shows them capable of resisting. hmmmm....616 aurora has also acted with her superhuman reactions, am i allowed to do the same here? anyway, aurora acts and takes on warpath. warpath doesn't have the reaction time to handel aurora, and she can easily blind him with her light. phantazia is assisting aurora by hitting warpath with a bio-blast and affectivley making his powers unstable, and doing a lot of damage. now just an overload of electricity and a few concussive blasts, and warpaths out. that only leaves firebird. mimic alone could take her. with his metal skin, it will take time to get enough heat to mimic, and with vindicator there, the fire wouldn't even be able to reach mimic. it would only take one or two optic blasts to take her. even if somehow phantazia wasn't able to affect booster gold and machine man, then vindicator takes on machine man and phantazia takes on booster gold. mimic still only needs 30 seconds to take firebird, then assists phantazia with booster gold. they would definitley be able to take him down together. aurora can take warpath..she's too fast for him, he wouldn't be able to touch her, and she can also hit him 1,000 times in a second. vindicator is more than capable of taking down machine man, or at least dealing with him long enough to get asistance.
I'm not saying her powers are being limited, I'm saying that you can't use 616 feats to support AOA Aurora. If the AOA version's done it, it's fine. Just refrain from claiming that becasue the 616 version did it, AOA can also do it. She's still a freaking speedster, and by no means useless.
Oh Btw quite a few of the Aurora feats he posted was when her top speed was mach 1, or when Northstar was doing things still under the speed cap. Oh well, even though he can't use 616 feats she is still a speedster and can still do most of the stuff. She was a member of Sinister's Elite.
With AoA Aurora I think she only appeared in like 6 issues, but did not have the spotlight on her so she couldn't showcase her abilities.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh Btw quite a few of the Aurora feats he posted was when her top speed was mach 1, or when Northstar was doing things still under the speed cap. Oh well, even though he can't use 616 feats she is still a speedster and can still do most of the stuff. She was a member of Sinister's Elite.With AoA Aurora I think she only appeared in like 6 issues, but did not have the spotlight on her so she couldn't showcase her abilities.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure we were all but assuming AOA Aurora was hovering near the cap. Any speed feats that you can undoubtedly say did NOT require mach 10+ speeds (as in, if it's older stuff, so that she'd be slower, and therefore not capable of moving above mach 10) should be fine, AOA or otherwise. Using more current stuff as arguments is still out, however, unless it actaully puts a number on her speed.
I'm not trying to undercut Aurora... But there was a REASON that you had to take the AOA version over the 616.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Hmm... I'm pretty sure we were all but assuming AOA Aurora was hovering near the cap. Any speed feats that you can undoubtedly say did NOT require mach 10+ speeds (as in, if it's older stuff, so that she'd be slower, and therefore not capable of moving above mach 10) should be fine, AOA or otherwise. Using more current stuff as arguments is still out, however, unless it actaully puts a number on her speed.I'm not trying to undercut Aurora... But there was a REASON that you had to take the AOA version over the 616.
Yeah we have no idea what their top speed was, all a guess. If he posts some speed feats, I will give the ok if it's in the cap or not. Such as Northstar containing a avalanche is not.
Errr.......I'm not in this debate believe it or not 😛 . The reason 616 Aurora was banned due to her hypnotism [knock someone out instantly], bomb explosion [new, but that would have gotten her banned], and her molecular manipulation [one hit KO, and matter manipulation]. Her top speed was not know, so we said she was at mach 10, but with the new handbook we know 616 would also have been banned for her speed. It looks like she has gotten her speed potential back.
ya know, i'm having a hard time telling who's arguing against ss -- SF or mungi.
as of now, i guess i still need to say sf ONLY because ss hasn't really even made a solid attempt at anything like a game plan. i still fail to see how machine man nd booster survive phantazia's power -- 'specially when ss already agreed that booster'd likely be killed quickly.
i'm not keen on the way sf is fighting this -- seems like not everything is completely kosher, but i can't tell just how MUCH is off, nor do i like the seeming double team with mungi clarifying and supporting sf so much. these should be limited to input from the participants -- if THEY don't know what a character is or is not capable of, or if THEY can't back up a claim, then . . . tough sh!t. pick someone you know better.
anyway, cuz i have to vote, as of now i'll say sf unless or until ss comes uup with something better than the highly touted wicked hard kick. 🙁
