Manwe Vs Melkor

Both Valar at the peak of their power, a battle to the non existent death.

I think Manwe will overcome Melkor.

Morgoth at the peak of his power was declared the strongest single valar so I will have to say the dark enemy wins

yeah Melkor Would win, but I like Manwe better.

I would have to agree with fini and ESB

melkor would own

Manwe for sure

At the peak of both their power Melkor was stronger given the greatest in power and knowledge over all other Valar. In a one on one battle the odds are on Manwe sadly loosing this one.

as much as it pains me to say manwe would fall (and i mean that i have a BIG tatoo of manwe on my arm) Melkor IS the most powerful off all the valar AND after the hiding of valnor manwe and all the other valars power wained ALOT!

In various texts, it is said that in the beginning, Melkor was the mightiest. But with his rebellion, he lost much of his power.

Still, he might have overcome Manwë, (at least prior to his humiliation when confronted by Beren and Lúthien).

Originally posted by Belegûr
In various texts, it is said that in the beginning, Melkor was the mightiest. But with his rebellion, he lost much of his power.

Still, he might have overcome Manwë, (at least prior to his humiliation when confronted by Beren and Lúthien).

True, but the poster stated that both were at the peak of their power.

Originally posted by thefallen544
True, but the poster stated that both were at the peak of their power.

Well then Melkor would win, as it is clearly stated that he was mightier than Manwë....but perhaps not as intelligent....

I don't quite see how they would kill each-other? what "weapons" are they allowed to use? I mean Manwë's got eru's support so...

Even in the Dagor Dagorath, Eru didn't get directly involved the battle was between The Valar supported by the peoples of Middle-Earth and Earendil Vs Morgoth. Also as for what weapons. As they took on physical form and they did do battle they were capable of using weapons, Morgoth himself used "Grond" also known as the 'Hammer of the Underworld' whilst that was destroyed at the end of the First Age it is just an example. Also at the height of his power Melkor was the mightiest before he split his power even Manwe (his own brother in the vision of Eru) is seen as not able to look into Melkor's eyes unflinching.

But even with Morgoth's full power he could not contend to the full might of the Valar.

well when melkor became morgoth he took a physical form, and he used grond but I daresay he was not at the peak of his power then, he had lost many abilities. And if it's a fight between manwë and melkor, not morgoth, I still don't see how...

In a fight between Melkor and Manwe not the entire might of the Valar. I'm guessing if faught by superiour numbers of the Valar then Melkor would be beaten, heck Tulkas alone beat him in terms of strength and phyiscal acts. Also, if we assume that at this point Melkor was at full power and chose to adopt a physical form. Seeing as the question is mostly hypothetical and is based on facts applied to an imagined situation.

My point isn't that he used Grond in any specific time or power level more the fact that he COULD have used weapons. If you choose not to believe me thats your lookout but the question is a hypothetical one if Manwe and Melkor faught one on one at their peak then who would win, my answer Melkor.

This is assuming in list form
1. Both were at full power
2. Eru didn't interfere
3. The other Valar didn't interfere

Originally posted by vanice
well when melkor became morgoth he took a physical form, and he used grond but I daresay he was not at the peak of his power then, he had lost many abilities. And if it's a fight between manwë and melkor, not morgoth, I still don't see how...

He took physical form before he was called Morgoth. The character is not properly called ‘Morgoth’ until he is given the name by Fëanor of the Noldor. This occurs in the First Age, after Melkor escapes Valinor. Prior to this point, he is only called Melkor.

Yeah, Morgoth means "The Black Enemy of the World" and as stated was a name given to Melkor by Fëanor.

Lol! Ok, I know Tolkien wasn't a nazi or anything, but that does sound a little racist ^.

You don't have to tell me what they are able to do, I already know...
What I'm saying is:

I don't see how they would kill each-other. No vala has been hurt by a weapon, like an axe for examlpe. (when fingolfin encountered morgoth, morgoth had lost many abileties, he had a physical form wich he couldn't leave, an I wouldn't call him a vala no more then) I bet the valar wanted to kill morgoth after his evil deeds, and after giving him a chance to become one of them again and seeing him letting them down again. But they didn't or should I say couldn't. so they chained him.

when I said, "after he became morgoth" of course I meant after he became the DARK *😑* enemy. he is the same person, but not a vala. Melkor to me is before he took the silmarills.

Manwë and Melkor could fight forever, raise mountains and split earth, but if wouldn't lead anywhere...