Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Honestly? Bandon is a Sith Lord. He uses his lightsaber to deadly effect, being undefeated. Obi-Wan has lost to:Asajj
Dooku
Nearly lost to Anakin
At one point was about equal with Kit Fisto
Darth Maul (technically, he did lose the match, even though he won through a contrived recovery)There may be more, I've forgotten.
Asajj -- He's never actually lost to her, although he most likely would have in CD had it not been for Fisto's intervention.
Dooku -- Fair enough. Although he had twice Obi-Wan's experience and was vastly more powerful.
Kit Fisto -- Yeah, at one point. This isn't CD Obi-Wan, it's RotS Obi-Wan.
Anakin -- Yet he managed to "WTFpwn" him in the end. He won, fair and square.
Darth Maul -- Again; he won. Granted, it was by a stroke of "luck", but it was by quick-thinking, as well.
In any case, your point about "1 per 50 planets" is moot. You're again trying to rationalize everything with abstract numbers that aren't founded in any real evidence or logic. The Jedi Order that was in the skies over Yavin during the Sith Wars (Read: 40 years before KOTOR) was listed as being in the thousands. The PT era at most was ten thousand (And again, I have not yet seen that number backed up with evidence). How you can conclude that Bandon didn't get that much experience and hardly anyone used lightsabers is beyond me. This is also apparently avoiding the fact that the New Sith Empire not only fought Jedi, it converted them and brougt new Sith acolytes into its ranks.
Agreed. Although, Glentract does have a point. Many of the elite in Revan and Malak's forces consisted of the "Masterblades", who wielded the Sith Tremor Swords created by Revan. So several of the more skilled Sith used swords.
But, one could only become a Masterblade by surviving ten lightsaber-wielding enemies. And if there were numerous Masterblades, there have to have been many lightsaber-wielding Jedi.
Look at the organization: The New Sith Empire, where the strong achieve success and dominate over the weak. Bandon played second only to Malak.
Agreed, but there are exceptions. Malak trying to blast Revan into oblivion would be a good one.
Then look at Obi-Wan, perhaps the third placed Jedi AFTER severe losses during the Clone Wars.
So you think a number of those anonymous somebodies who were killed by droids are superior to Obi-Wan?
And don't forget, just as Bandon is second to only Malak, Obi-Wan is second only to Mace and Yoda.
Now, you know I'm not just shitting you, Glentract. Obi-Wan IS my favorite Jedi of all time. Easily my favorite character in the series. But Bandon simply outclasses him. Bandon's station and reputation imply a far better rep than Obi-Wan had, for sure.
Actually, other than his "undefeated" and "second to Malak" points, he doesn't have a rep, lol.
If a rep consists of Feat Wars and titles, Obi-Wan outclasses friggin' everybody.
Now, don't get me wrong. I think that Bandon could give Obi-Wan a hell of a time. But being described as having "powerful emotions such as hate and anger raging through him" seems to imply a weakness that Obi-Wan will be able to exploit.
I seriously think it's amusing how everyone uses the word "feat wars" and I created it. I like to think I know what it means. And it means this:
The adopting of an argumentive stance in which one argues unrelated or unsubstantied feats as a means of establishing one's character's personal duelling ability. (i.e. Sidious ruled known space, therefore he can beat any other Sith; or Anakin was the Chosen One, therefore he cannot be beaten.)
Now, that being said, show me how I used "Feat Wars", please. Bandon has only a reputation. And it is from that reputation that I'm infering my answer. Same goes with Marka Ragnos. I haven't seen him swing a blade yet, and all evidence points to his power and ability being IMMENSE. Obi-Wan, on the other hand, struggles in most of his fights. His fighting form is purely defensive, and we've seen it can be broken (Asajj broke it, Dooku easily broke it... Anakin broke it quite a few times. It's not impervious to aggression and fine lightsabering) He is shown to be easily disabled using the force (Dooku) and was considered no challenge at all for the Emperor (As spoken by Yoda). Now, I like Obi-Wan, and he is the original Jedi ninja... but I don't honestly see him defeating a capable Sith Lord who's lifestyle involves hacking up people like Obi-Wan. His record just isn't clean enough.