Uh, that wasn't Jean Grey. That was her daughter and Psylocke, and to be honest, that didn't prove jack. That's speculation that Jean could do the same thing without tapping into the Phoenix force. Even then, Laminator X already gave you the reference to where the failsafe is. The failsafes were also mentioned in the tournament battle between Scoobless and Blair Wind. Jean doesn't have anything on Iron Man.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Uh, that wasn't Jean Grey. That was her daughter and Psylocke, and to be honest, that didn't prove jack. That's speculation that Jean could do the same thing without tapping into the Phoenix force. Even then, Laminator X already gave you the reference to where the failsafe is. The failsafes were also mentioned in the tournament battle between Scoobless and Blair Wind. Jean doesn't have anything on Iron Man.
Psylocke was imbued with Jean Greys telekinesis in 2000 whilst Jean Grey was granted Psylockes additional telepathic might. It happened after the psi war in which Psylocke confronted the Shadow King. I stated that in my last post, a point you have obviously completely bypassed.
Psylocke has demonstrably greater tk than Rachel:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10410134289.jpg&s=x402
The combined tk of Rachel and Psylocke has been able to shrug off an onslaught of energies from multiple Sentinels as well as a blast from a Shiar warship.
Omega level Jean Grey will have no problem dealing with a few Sentinel level blasts.
Sorry mate. 😉
Laminator gave me a reference to some failsafes however given that he has been quite successfully assaulted telepathically in events since Laminators posted reference, it appears that the failsafes were NOT made part of his standard equipment. The fact that theyre not mentioned in his bio which details his standard equipment supports this notion.
Either way you cannot conclusively present the notion that Iron Man will be able to shrug off telepathy. On top of that he has omega level telekinesis to deal with. As you can see from the many scans above i believe it will suffice in this battle.
Jean for the majority. 😄
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10410253590.jpg&s=x402
Yep, just as i told you. Jean Greys telekinesis is something to be respected. 😉
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Speculation my butt. We've already given you the reference! You just can't read.
Given me a reference which conclusively tells us Jean will get a mental backlash? 😕
What on earth are you talking about sonny? 😉
If you are still referring to your heroes reborn reference then ive already explained why it is redundant. There is no need for me to speak further on the matter. Come up with a better argument and lets proceed. 🙂
FINE! I won't even use the mental backlash, even though he's already protected from psychic attacks. Here's something for you: Iron Man's armor allows him to use electromagnetic fields. Who else can do that? Magneto and Xorn. Guess what's gonna happen to Jean when she fights Iron Man.
Another stroke, and she's dead. Debate over, now bugger off.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
FINE! I won't even use the mental backlash, even though he's already protected from psychic attacks. Here's something for you: Iron Man's armor allows him to use electromagnetic fields. Who else can do that? Magneto and Xorn. Guess what's gonna happen to Jean when she fights Iron Man.Another stroke, and she's dead. Debate over, now bugger off.
For a start that wasnt a battle circumstance, Jean wasnt fighting Xorneto. He was humbled, she went over to comfort him, she stroked him and he grabbed her and took her out.
Irrelevant reference, made in frustration. Come on mate lets be mature about this. 🙁
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Before you even attempt to say that he couldn't beforehand, this is one of his earlier models:
As aforementioned, this is a pointless line of argument, because its based on an irrelevant reference that was presented in the first place out of spite. Unfortunately for you, its flopped. 🙁
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
That's not irrelevant at all. A psionic shield won't help her against an electromagnetic pulse on the inside of her brain. It would give her a stroke. Once again, Jean will not win this fight.
Because Jean is gonna be bent down stroking Iron Mans armour allowing him the oppurtunity to attack her non shielded form? 🙄
Come on now TS!! 😂
For the reference to be relevant it would have to depict the incarnation of Jean stated in a fight, having her defences bypassed via the method youre presenting. Unfortunately for your case, it does NOT.
The scene presented does not depict Jean in battle. It shows her comforting a humbled Xorneto with her defences down.
Irrelevant.
Please try again.
Okay, for someone said to be incredibly knowledgable, you obviously don't know anything about electromagnetic fields. Her psionic shielding is going to do nothing. Quite literally nothing. She's gong to put up her shield, then start wondering why the whole world is going black. You're talking about grasping at straws, yet you're assuming that her shields can protect her from something that's developing inside of her skull. There are thousands of things he could do to her with that alone! What the heck is she gonna do when the iron from her blood is getting ripped out of her skin? What's going to happen then? She doesn't have anything against Iron Man offensively. At all. You can say "irrelivant" all day, but it just shows you're a hack.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Tony's packed psi-shields ever since the return from Heroes Reborn. He was wracked by guilt over Immortus manipulating him into killing Future-Yellowjacket and Luna's nanny, Maia, and essentially said, "Never again!"A furthur question: Since we're allowing that Jean comes in with shields up, what about the same for IM? Part of how he takes hits that would easily pierce heavy metal is that his armor is stiffenned by a forcefield all the time (this is how it can flex as he moves too), and he has a more powerful field he can power up as well. Is it a given Jean's telekinesis function through his forcefields?
Even before that, his teenage counterpart installed them into HIS armor after hearing that Kang manipulated him during Force Works. So, what now? There is no way for Jean to win this battle against a man who has a countermeasure for every Avenger, and psionic shielding, magnetic manipulation, high powered repulsor rays, and so forth. Iron Man wins 10/10. Anything you say from this point forward is just trying to grasp something that you can't grab, or further proof that you're too damn lazy to look it up yourself.
Originally posted by Soleran
Has Jean ever put up a shield that prevented magnetism inside of it?
Thats like saying has Apocalypse ever tried a cup of Earl Grey?
The point is that her telekinesis will be able to protect her from any initial assaults, long enough for her to either take him out telepathically,, or if there really are psi shields as part of his standard equipment (something that has yet to be proven) then she can dismantle his armour telekinetically.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Okay, for someone said to be incredibly knowledgable, you obviously don't know anything about electromagnetic fields. Her psionic shielding is going to do nothing. Quite literally nothing. She's gong to put up her shield, then start wondering why the whole world is going black. You're talking about grasping at straws, yet you're assuming that her shields can protect her from something that's developing inside of her skull. There are thousands of things he could do to her with that alone! What the heck is she gonna do when the iron from her blood is getting ripped out of her skin? What's going to happen then? She doesn't have anything against Iron Man offensively. At all. You can say "irrelivant" all day, but it just shows you're a hack.
Im sorry but where have you ever seen Iron Man manipulate electromagnetic energies in such a Magneto-esque fashion. Thats speculation and fortunately for my case its unsupported. Until you can show such instances....point dismissed.
Storm can wield electromagnetic energies as well, she can generate and project them, however her powerset doesnt give her the ability to wield them like Mags does. Prove Tony can or SHHHHHH
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Even before that, his teenage counterpart installed them into HIS armor after hearing that Kang manipulated him during Force Works. So, what now? There is no way for Jean to win this battle against a man who has a countermeasure for every Avenger, and psionic shielding, magnetic manipulation, high powered repulsor rays, and so forth. Iron Man wins 10/10. Anything you say from this point forward is just trying to grasp something that you can't grab, or further proof that you're too damn lazy to look it up yourself.
And im just supposed to take your word for it? 😉
No can do mate. Especially not when events more recent than your references contradict what youre telling me.
Iron Man since those references has been attacked psionically. End of. 😱
