Iron Man vs. Jean Grey

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Actually, it's not speculation at all. New Avengers: Able to manipulate magnetic fields even though his suit was at low power. He could drag Wolverine with no troubles. Also, a psionic shield still isn't gonna help her. Point please.

Thats nowhere near the level of manipulation youre claiming he'd be able to do in battle. Using simple magnetism to attract a large body of metal towards him is elementary comapred to manipulating the iron in someones brain via magnetic manipulation. As aforementioned Storm can wield electromagnetic energies for simple tasks however her abilities dont allow for anywhere near the level of manipulation Mags can do. Nice attempt. Come again when you sufficient evidence.

Talking of sufficient evidence:

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats like saying has Apocalypse ever tried a cup of Earl Grey?

The point is that her telekinesis will be able to protect her from any initial assaults, long enough for her to either take him out telepathically,, or if there really are psi shields as part of his standard equipment (something that has yet to be proven) then she can dismantle his armour telekinetically.

well you raised another significant question in my mind.............has apocolypse ever had a cup of earl grey.......................

No you skirted my question, has Jean Grey ever shown to block magnetism in her TK shield?

Originally posted by Soleran
well you raised another significant question in my mind.............has apocolypse ever had a cup of earl grey.......................

No you skirted my question, has Jean Grey ever shown to block magnetism in her TK shield?

Nope but then you have no evidence to say an electromagnetic blast from Tony can bypass Jeans fields. Its not just a solid wall, its an energy field, and theres no evidence that Tony could affect the inside of it. He is not an energy manipulator on a Magneto scale.

Has iron man on panel shown that he can't get totally mind****ed by a powerful telepath?

Oh sure use the plot device to try and show it being able to function outside of the plot driven event. In a very whirly esque manner.

What's funny is that GS has provided scans, there have been two from the iron man side, and neither shows that he'd even beable to project any electro magnetic energy inside of someones head to give them a stroke. They showed the very plot driven circumstantial death of Jean grey's physical form, and Iron man projecting electromagnetic eenergy from his hands...

What's funny, whay's really funny is that electromagnetic energy by itself even in large doses is harmless to the human body. heck we use it to go inside people's heads all the time and take pretty pictures to determine whats wrong. and has anybody had a stroke as a driect reslut of an MRI?

Nope. Not a one. It's perfectly harmless for electromagnetic energy to go inside a person's head. I mean hell, I'm still here aren't I?

I'm talking about a violent pulse of it that would fry nerve endings. It's a little different.

Originally posted by Juntai
Has iron man on panel shown that he can't get totally mind****ed by a powerful telepath?

Speaking of that strategy:

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If she'd chosen to kill him instead of playing mind games we'd have yet another dead Avenger. 😄

Until anyone proves otherwise, Jean can protect herself from any initial energy attacks via tk at the start of the battle before proceeding to mind**** (i like that 😉 ) Tony or telekinetically dismantle his armour.

Uh, she'd been amped by the Mandarin. Mandarin, who is uber powerful and can do about anything with his rings, who also I believe nearly beat the X-Men by himself? Yeah, she's got the power of his rings, which make him nearly unstoppable. Little different than Jean's abilities.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Uh, she'd been amped by the Mandarin. Mandarin, who is uber powerful and can do about anything with his rings, who also I believe nearly beat the X-Men by himself? Yeah, she's got the power of his rings, which make him nearly unstoppable. Little different than Jean's abilities.

Your comprehension skills are abysmal. Please re-read the scans, apologise for your misinterpretation and come again.

That was all in Tonys head, she was paying mind games with him, assaulting him telepathically. 😂

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I'm talking about a violent pulse of it that would fry nerve endings. It's a little different.

Because it comes suddenly and unexpectedly?

of course it comes suddenly it is a form of energy, it's speed really can't change if technology driven. and unexpectedly?

Does an unexpected raindrop do more damage than an expected one?

So could you define "Violent"? And explain to me how the EM energy is going to do something it doesn't normally do?

Because Magneto or Xornetto is a mutant and can bend the laws of physics.

I can't see half of what you put up because you're going from putfile. My network blocks that site for some reason.

So why is Mandarin never mentioned when the term "most powerful telepath on Earth" pops up?

I hear he's hot shit that is being implied is greater than either Jean or Xavier. . .

The rings grant him extreme abilities beyond most people, provided he's wearing them:
* Left Pinkie -- "Ice Blast," with which he could encase foes in bands of ice or create walls of ice to block pursuers.
* Left Ring Finger -- "Mento-Intensifier," which amplifies the Mandarin's own mental energies and allows him to control the minds of others.
* Left Middle Finger -- "Electro Blast," unleashing powerful lightning-like bolts.
* Left Index Finger -- "Flame Blast," a flamethrower-like gout of flame.
* Left Thumb -- "White Light," a laser-like beam.
* Right Thumb -- "Matter Rearranger," which can rearrange the atoms and molecules of a substance. The Mandarin usually uses this ring to change the shape of objects, such as causing a giant stone hand to erupt out of the earth and grapple a foe. He has, however, used it to transmute the molecular composition of objects, such as changing the air around a target into a poisonous gas.
* Right Index Finger -- "Impact Beam," a blast of concussive or gravitational force.
* Right Middle Finger -- "Vortex Beam," allows Mandarin to control air and wind, allowing him to fly.
* Right Ring Finger -- "Disintegration Beam." Unlike the others, this Ring requires a twenty minute recharge time between firings.
* Right Pinkie -- "Black Light," which can create areas of absolute blackness.

I'm done debating for now. I haven't slept in 24 hours, and am just cranky. I can already see the two of you are goading me into a verbal fight, and are trying to get me banned.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike

I'm done debating for now. I haven't slept in 24 hours,.

I can tell mate and i really think that would be the best thing for you. Cos i fail to see what listing the abilities of the rings has anything to do with this thread. Tony never actually thought Psylocke with the rings, Psylocke made him think that, it was all in his mind, she assaulted him telepathically, therefore proving my point.

If Iron Man does have access to psi shielding then its certainly not a part of his standard equipment. 😉

No, you're own exahtion is seeing things where they do not exist. Go sleep my friend. Hopefully when the exahstion is gone from you so too will the paranoia. 🙂

Combative telepathy seems to be the key to victory then.
Seems pretty easy for a telepath to accomplish.

The psi shields have been mentionned more than once, on-panel over the past 5 years. If the writer of that fight with Psylocke chose to ignore that, that's a shame, but it's hardly the first time there've been continuity conflicts between the Avengers and the X-men. Marvel's editorial staff has been asleep at the wheel since Shooter left.

Thr micro-mesh-backed by forcefield thing is documented as far back as the silver and red armor entry in the OHOTMU Deluxe Edition back in the mid-late 80's.

And no, I am not going to dig through my file cabinets and scan things to back this up. I have a date tonight, and tomorrow is Easter. I quite literally have better things to do. If GS think's that's a good reason to call me a liar a second time even with others seconding these assertions, he's even more of an opinionated blowhard than I thought.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The psi shields have been mentionned more than once, on-panel over the past 5 years. If the writer of that fight with Psylocke chose to ignore that, that's a shame, but it's hardly the first time there've been continuity conflicts between the Avengers and the X-men. Marvel's editorial staff has been asleep at the wheel since Shooter left.

Thr micro-mesh-backed by forcefield thing is documented as far back as the silver and red armor entry in the OHOTMU Deluxe Edition back in the mid-late 80's.

And no, I am not going to dig through my file cabinets and scan things to back this up. I have a date tonight, and tomorrow is Easter. I quite literally have better things to do. If GS think's that's a good reason to call me a liar a second time even with others seconding these assertions, he's even more of an opinionated blowhard than I thought.

Who called you a liar? Dont start getting uppitty with me because i choose to doubt your opinion. Yes until i see scans then theres nothing telling me conclusively that its anything but that.

Whether Iron Man has employed psi shields before or not really isnt the issue. The crux of the matter is that as far as I can tell they are NOT part of his standard equipment, which is all that matters here.

Yes im disagreeing with you, yes im disputing your word and your references but does that really justify throwing insults? Lets be grown up about this Lam. ❌

Actually. when I say "I have read these stories where this character is portrayed in this way," and then you say "I'm giving that no credence until you post scans to back that up." You are calling me a liar.

When I've read something, I say so. When I'm speculating or opining, I say so.

That's all I've got to say on this matter.