Warrior Madness Thor vs. Immortal Hercules

Originally posted by slade10
Err, thanos can amp his strength up the same way a skyfather can. He wields cosmic energy at skyfather+ level, imo. The average skyfather is not going to be able to tussle with tyrant or galactus.

100x really isn't that much, from a cosmic perspective. It's like the difference between captain america and the thing. I think that's a fair comparison of the power gap between thor and thanos, based on their fights. Maybe even a conservative comparison.

he wields energy on a level equal to a skyfather?? 😑 which skyfather exactly?? not odin, that's for damn sure . . . that display was a great durability showing for thanos, but he never even came close to actually hurting odin or putting odin in danger . . .

you'd go out of your way to avoid a confrontation with a cockroach? 😕 that's your business . . .

and no, it was NOT a 'decoy orb'. 🙄 it was a smaller orb, yes, but filled with power nonetheless. the other (and it was only one among apparently thousands) was simply larger. if thanos could use a SMALL orb and approach tyrant's base power, imagine how tough tyrant is if he elected to use any of the orbs. again, thanos out-thought champ. he did not beat him physically. had it been a physical fight, thanos would have been beat down. he did nothing to harm champ in that fight. had he been as strong as you claim, he certainly wouldn't have needed champ himself to smash the planet -- thanos could have done it himself.

another factual error -- thanos never ko'd thing and thor in that fight. he put thing down and said with a few more such blasts he could take out thor. he never did beat thor. if he really WERE '100x stronger', he'd have polished them and everyone else off -- EASILY!

thor already has strength enough to smash a planet -- and you SERIOUSLY believe thanos is ONE HUNDRED TIMES stronger than him??? have you seen thor with his belt of strenght? and that only DOUBLES his strenght! hulk was somewhat amped by nate grey and fought thanos h2h evenly. you think nate amped him 100x!? 😂

no offense, but that is absolutely ridiculous and you have absolutely ZERO feats to back that up. ZEE--ROOOOOO.

Originally posted by leonidas
he wields energy on a level equal to a skyfather?? 😑 which skyfather exactly?? not odin, that's for damn sure . . . that display was a great durability showing for thanos, but he never even came close to actually hurting odin or putting odin in danger . . .

The fight was in the middle of odin's power source. Ask odin to take on thanos in his stronghold, with all his weapons and tech to amp him, and I'm guessing he does about as well as (or worse than) thanos did in asgard.

Originally posted by leonidas

you'd go out of your way to avoid a confrontation with a cockroach? 😕 that's your business . . .

Err, unless you're an exterminator, I imagine you tend to avoid smashing bugs as well. It's not fun. And it hurts when a bug bites you. I suppose that means we're all as weak as bugs (or at least comprably weak), by your logic?

Originally posted by leonidas

and no, it was NOT a 'decoy orb'. 🙄 it was a smaller orb, yes, but filled with power nonetheless. the other (and it was only one among apparently thousands) was simply larger. if thanos could use a SMALL orb and approach tyrant's base power, imagine how tough tyrant is if he elected to use any of the orbs.

Um, tyrant didn't need to touch his orbs to use them. It's not clear if the orb thanos picked up had any real power. Even if it did, it's not clear thanos could leach any of it, especially for physical blows, as (again) tyrant did not have to be in physical contact to use the orbs. They were simply channeling energy tyrant was draining from celestial bodies.

AFAIK, we never see or hear of this orb again. If it's as powerful as you say it is, why is that?

Originally posted by leonidas

again, thanos out-thought champ. he did not beat him physically. had it been a physical fight, thanos would have been beat down. he did nothing to harm champ in that fight. had he been as strong as you claim, he certainly wouldn't have needed champ himself to smash the planet -- thanos could have done it himself.

Are you living in some sort of bizzaro world?

http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img238&image=cha14am.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img233&image=cha22up.jpg

So I guess my intepretation -- that champion is getting knocked around -- is wrong, and that champion is actually just hopping around (horizontal to the ground) and wiggling his neck in odd direcitons for the fun of it?

No, thanos did not ko him. What's your point? Odin did not KO thanos. Galactus did not KO thanos. Indeed, I can't think of anyone who has KO'd thanos. By your logic that proves, NO ONE has ever beaten Thanos.

And why would I exert myself to destroy a planet when: (a) I need to find my target: (b) once I've found him, I can have him do it for me just as easily?

Originally posted by leonidas

thor already has strength enough to smash a planet -- and you SERIOUSLY believe thanos is [B]ONE THOUSAND TIMES stronger than him???
[/B]

First, I said 100x. 100x = a hundred times.

Second, where has thor shown the power to smash a planet? He's pulled the midgard serpent off of earth. THat doesn't mean he could destroy earth in a blow. I can pull a snake off a rock, but i can't destroy the rock with my fist.

Originally posted by leonidas

hulk was somewhat amped by nate grey and fought thanos h2h evenly. you think nate amped him 1000x!? 😂

You mean the fight where they were destroying the barriers between dimensions with their fists? That's your example of a low feat?

Thanos clone (retconned) vs. Mjolnir
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img239&image=thor8uf.jpg

Zeus vs. Mjolnir
http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8166/fa5cd6d1jpgorig0hh6ii8ur.jpg
http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9057/fa5cd6cajpgorig7kg1wk1iy.jpg

Zeus braces himself and prevents mjolnir from hurting him, but can't muster up the magic to prevent it from going back. In contrast, a lowly thanos CLONE sends mjolnir to the ground like an everyday hammer.

This is MYSTICAL energy, which is NOT thanos' forte. And this is a thanos CLONE. Note also that thor was supposedly quite boosted up by odin prior to the thanos (clone) throw. He was at normal power, in contrast, against zeus.

Zeus and odin are thought to be approximately equal.

"Err, thanos can amp his strength up the same way a skyfather can. He wields cosmic energy at skyfather+ level, imo. The average skyfather is not going to be able to tussle with tyrant or galactus. "

Thanos doesnt "tussle" with Galactus. He never did. And the only time he was shown to do it he was using a plot device called the heart of the universe.

The same story where he busted a Celestial btw.

On the other hand, Odin does have universal level feats under his wing and without plot devices. What universal feats under its own powerset Thanos has?

Oh and Thanos its not skyfather level.

"100x really isn't that much, from a cosmic perspective".

Except Thanos never showed to be 100 times stronger than Thor.

"Zeus braces himself and prevents mjolnir from hurting him, but can't muster up the magic to prevent it from going back. In contrast, a lowly thanos CLONE sends mjolnir to the ground like an everyday hammer. "

Your a bit confused. Zeus didnt braced to protect the hammer from hurting him. He -grabbed- the hammer and overcame the enchantment for some moments.

That Thanos clone did nothing of the sort. Like Magneto uses his force fields to protect him from long range attacks, this clone did the same. Hardly a comparation, Zeus feat was way higher.

"Second, where has thor shown the power to smash a planet? He's pulled the midgard serpent off of earth. THat doesn't mean he could destroy earth in a blow. I can pull a snake off a rock, but i can't destroy the rock with my fist"

BrB did it and he has the same powers than Thor.

"The fight was in the middle of odin's power source."

It didnt started in Asgard. And he sure wasent amping there.

"Ask odin to take on thanos in his stronghold, with all his weapons and tech to amp him, and I'm guessing he does about as well as (or worse than) thanos did in asgard. "

Magic, not tech.

Odin didnt went all out in that figth, and Thanos only lasted as much as he did due to insane durability. The battle was pretty clear. Thanos can take skyfather level attacks but doesnt pack enough power to equal or overcome one.

Originally posted by slade10
The fight was in the middle of odin's power source. Ask odin to take on thanos in his stronghold, with all his weapons and tech to amp him, and I'm guessing he does about as well as (or worse than) thanos did in asgard.

Err, unless you're an exterminator, I imagine you tend to avoid smashing bugs as well. It's not fun. And it hurts when a bug bites you. I suppose that means we're all as weak as bugs (or at least comprably weak), by your logic?

Um, tyrant didn't need to touch his orbs to use them. It's not clear if the orb thanos picked up had any real power. Even if it did, it's not clear thanos could leach any of it, especially for physical blows, as (again) tyrant did not have to be in physical contact to use the orbs. They were simply channeling energy tyrant was draining from celestial bodies.

AFAIK, we never see or hear of this orb again. If it's as powerful as you say it is, why is that?

Are you living in some sort of bizzaro world?

http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img238&image=cha14am.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img233&image=cha22up.jpg

So I guess my intepretation -- that champion is getting knocked around -- is wrong, and that champion is actually just hopping around (horizontal to the ground) and wiggling his neck in odd direcitons for the fun of it?

No, thanos did not ko him. What's your point? Odin did not KO thanos. Galactus did not KO thanos. Indeed, I can't think of anyone who has KO'd thanos. By your logic that proves, NO ONE has ever beaten Thanos.

And why would I exert myself to destroy a planet when: (a) I need to find my target: (b) once I've found him, I can have him do it for me just as easily?

First, I said 100x. 100x = a hundred times.

Second, where has thor shown the power to smash a planet? He's pulled the midgard serpent off of earth. THat doesn't mean he could destroy earth in a blow. I can pull a snake off a rock, but i can't destroy the rock with my fist.

You mean the fight where they were destroying the barriers between dimensions with their fists? That's your example of a low feat?

speaking of bizarro . . . 🙄

1. prove odin gets more power by being in asgard. i didn't ask for your opinion, i asked for proof.

2. thanos punched champion. and . . . 😕 you were wholly inaccurate in your statement regarding the fight -- or at least deliberately misleading. thanos did NOTHING to champ to hurt him. he pestered him to anger him because he knew he could not -- through force -- take the gem. i've seen spiderman deck superman as well, does that mean spidey=superman, or spidey>superman?? even using your own description, you're saying thor is to thanos as cap is to thing?? so you're saying that even a mild PUNCH from thanos to thor could . . . break thor's neck?? kill him??? ludicrous.

3. the orb had no power, eh? well, why don't you show a picture of him struggling to reach for it as he was getting his ass beat down, then, show a pic after when he suddenly miraculously heals and gets back into the fight. i can show you if you don't have the scans . . . we've ALSO never seen tyrant since then, let alone the orb. he's supposedly biding his time, gather his power to get revenge on galactus. he didn't NEED to use anymore power than he did to beat thanos. why would he use the orbs?

4. odin WOULD have ko'd thanos. galactus CERTAINLY would have. he smashed his shield and thanos was a crumpled heap on the floor in front of him.

5. olympian already mentioned the bill incident and herc and thor also sent a planet spiralling out of orbit during an ARMWRESTLE!

6. destroying barriers between dimensions? huh? anyway, so it sounds like you ARE saying nate amped hulk up a 100x??? 😂 course, that was also a thanos clone i think, as most have been. even the 'all powerful one' that got the tears of tendali and that thor DID KO, was later said to be a clone.

now, let's recap. thor ahs sent a planet spiralling out of orbit with herc. bill has destroyed a planet and is =< thor. thanos is NOT at skyfather level. galactus nearly ko'd him with a shot while thor (NOT odin) has driven galactus off by himself.

and of course, you never once adressed my main point: name one single feat that would support your argument that thanos is 100x stronger than thor. name a feat he's accomplished that is greater than THOR'S high end feats!! you can't. yet you say he's 100x stronger. laughable. until you find your non-existent proof, don't bother debating it. you can have your opinion, that's fine. not a single person with an ounce of sense will agree with it, and it will be wrong, but you're entitled to it. nothing you can say -- or more importantly -- that you can show will prove your words. so why debate this further.

Originally posted by olympian

Thanos doesnt "tussle" with Galactus. He never did. And the only time he was shown to do it he was using a plot device called the heart of the universe.

The same story where he busted a Celestial btw.

1. Never tussled with galactus? There's an entire series where they fight. And galactus is said to be "well-fed." Here's a pic:

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img158&image=galactus14jn.jpg

Loses eventually, but big G doesn't look in great shape either at the end of the fight.

2. When has magneto blocked mjolnir, lol? Thor has drained mag's shield, and many similar energy fields, with ease.

If you didn't realize it, mjolnir has an enchantment by Odin that requires it to return to thor's hand. It's also a massively powerful artificat. A Thanos CLONE not only stopped it dead in the air, but also canceled its enchantment -- something zeus was unable to do.

3. Beta ray bill has destroyed a planet? I'd like to see this.

4. Odin wasn't in asgard? Was that a McDonald's disguised as Asgard? And didn't go "all out"? what comic are you reading? Thanos pushed back odin's blast and nearly took gungnir from odin's hand. I'm sure Odin "let him" do that, huh?

On neutral ground, I say thanos dusts odin. When has Odin shown offensive firepower commensurate to thanos' blasting galactus to the ground? Or going toe-to-toe to tyrant? HIs showing against the celestials is indicative of his power level outside of asgard -- with an enormous amount of planning, no less.

Thanos is to the eternals as odin is the asgardians. Except eternals are more powerful than asgardians....

1. Odin has stated his power comes from asgard on multiple occasions. He has also been "weakened" when others have broken his connection to his realm as ruler, e.g. Loki on a few occasions.

Here is a link:

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Odin

This is not 100% certain because Odin has too few appearances, and the apperances he does have are almost always in asgard. But it is consistent with marvel's treatment of rules of virtually every other dimension. When a ruler of a dimension is in his own realm, his powers increase to near-omnipotence.

2. What did I say about the champion fight that was "wholly inaccurate"? I said he beat champion with the power gem. I think I also said that he hurt him. I don't think either proposition is particularly controversial.

If Thanos has 100x thor's strength, that does not necessarily mean he can break thor's neck in 1 blow. First, this is a comic, and you see people like batman and wolverine receiving blows from people literally millions of times stronger than them. And they get up fine afterwards. Second, strength and durability are different issues entirely. And when you get up into thor+ durability range, strength is usually used only to KO, not to break people's necks.

3. Tyrant did not disappear after thanos took the orb. The series continues on until morg gets the nullifier and blasts him. Where are you getting this nonsense? I don't have the scans because I don't have a scanner, or the comic at hand. If you're so certain that this orb boosted his strength immensely, then prove it. I'm the one who's posted scans -- you've just made wild assertions.

4. Odin would have ko'd thanos? You seem pretty certain of that, given that he got up from his best blast seemingly unharmed.

Point to a single time thanos has been KO'd by ANYONE. And it's not as if he's fighting lightweights.

That sort of status is generally reserved for skyfather+ beings, of which thanos is one.

5. Thor drove off a STARVING galactus with a godblast. This tells us what about thor's physical strength?

6. I've already named numerous feats suggesting that thanos is vastly stronger than thor. Wrestling with multiple thor level heros in physical battles and coming out on top easily. Hurting Tyrant with a punch, when numerous star-destroying-level blasts could not even move him. Destroying a planet accidentally in a fistfight with drax. Knocking around warrior madness thor with a power gem, when 8 heros of thor-level strength could not even touch him. KO'ing surfer with a few blows. There are countless others.

Every feat you cite evidencing thanos' supposed weakness is ridiculous. Beating thing and thor with ease? Getting an amped up hulk to smash through a dimension in a fist fight? These are supposed to prove me wrong? Please....

The fact is, for anyone to be able to do what thanos has done to the infinity watch, to herald teams, to the JLA in crossover, he must be VASTLY stronger than each one individually. You need to be able to take them out fast, and take punishment while you're at it. This is exactly what thanos has done on every occassion he's faced a thor level hero.

Btw, let's look at these tyrant scans.

http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img194&image=tyrant78hy.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img162&image=tyrant83ga.jpg

I don't see him using that orb in either scan. And it's notable that throughout this fight, tyrant seems not to care at all about the orb, despite the fact that he's getting hurt by thanos at the start of the fight. He gets angry that thanos has "pilfered" him, but then another room is shown with a massively larger orb, and perhaps as you said, thousands of other orbs. There's no indication that thanos can use the power, and he does not "instantly heal" when he gets it. In fact, he hasn't even been harmed when he picks the orb back up.

Finally, there's no discussion of what happened to thanos' orb throughout the rest of the series. If this is such a powerful artificat, why wouldn't marvel mention it again somewhere?

Oh and as for the arm wrestling with herc feat, you mean this?

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8595/hercvsthor017lj.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6530/hercvsthor029mh.jpg

Looks more like a table than a planet to me...

As for brb destroying planets, if you're referring to the stormbreaker saga, that's hardly a planet destroying feat. Stardust and galactus destroyed the planet while eating it.

"1. Never tussled with galactus? There's an entire series where they fight. And galactus is said to be "well-fed." Here's a pic:

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?...alactus14jn.jpg

Loses eventually, but big G doesn't look in great shape either at the end of the fight."

First of all thats not the entire figth. Second, i already adressed that one. That hapenned in Thanos: The End, the same story where he defeat the entire Marvel Universe wielding the Heart of the Universe and where he busted a Celestial -point blank-.

"2. When has magneto blocked mjolnir, lol? Thor has drained mag's shield, and many similar energy fields, with ease"

And on another ocassions when figthing the Avengers, Mags shieds have protected him from Mjolnir to no effect from the later.

"If you didn't realize it, mjolnir has an enchantment by Odin that requires it to return to thor's hand. "

Correct.

"It's also a massively powerful artificat. A Thanos CLONE not only stopped it dead in the air, but also canceled its enchantment -- something zeus was unable to do."

😄

The page you posted shows otherwise. He uses a force field. -Where- did he canceled the enchantment? He merely avoied the hammer hitting him.

Zeus was able to do it yes. Anyone with eyes can see the scan. Unlike the clone he -grabbed it-, he didnt avoied it. Talking about overrating here.

"3. Beta ray bill has destroyed a planet? I'd like to see this."

Stormbreaker saga by Oeming.

"4. Odin wasn't in asgard? Was that a McDonald's disguised as Asgard? And didn't go "all out"? what comic are you reading? Thanos pushed back odin's blast and nearly took gungnir from odin's hand. I'm sure Odin "let him" do that, huh?"

The Brifost Bridge isent IN Asgard, chump.

The times Odin has gone all out it was against beings like Surtur and Seth and in all those, there wer second effects across the Universe.

And taking Gungir out of Odins hand its scretching. You saw him do that? Give me a break. He fougth yes to no avail.

"On neutral ground, I say thanos dusts odin."

I dont use this alot but: LoL.

"When has Odin shown offensive firepower commensurate to thanos' blasting galactus to the ground? Or going toe-to-toe to tyrant? HIs showing against the celestials is indicative of his power level outside of asgard -- with an enormous amount of planning, no less. "

The question should be more: When has Thanos -ever- had feats on Odins level, without plot devices ? :

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/694/odinseth40xl4ru.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6769/skyfatherpower3dp.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1047/skyfatherpower010rn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4224/skyfatherpower021bo.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/355/odinseth34cu.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/355/odinseth34cu.jpg

"1. Odin has stated his power comes from asgard on multiple occasions. He has also been "weakened" when others have broken his connection to his realm as ruler, e.g. Loki on a few occasions. "

Odin in comics has stated that he can draw more power from Asgard if -needed-. Not that out of it he has none. Using sites or handbooks doesnt help your case. Same with Zeus and other skyfathers.

"When a ruler of a dimension is in his own realm, his powers increase to near-omnipotence."

Obviously. If he choses to use it all. Odin btw has you can see in the scans i provided has fought and use his might outside of Asgard. Few appearances? Yeah he just showed up practically in every Thor issue run and the first exceeded the issue # 500...

"If Thanos has 100x thor's strength, that does not necessarily mean he can break thor's neck in 1 blow. First, this is a comic, and you see people like batman and wolverine receiving blows from people literally millions of times stronger than them"

And this is where your logic is flawed. EVEN in comics, Batman doesnt take blows from way stronger characters without a plot device. Wolverine OTOH already has two. Durability in form of a adamantium skeleton AND a insane healing factor. That still doesnt stop him to get ko sometimes.

"That sort of status is generally reserved for skyfather+ beings, of which thanos is one. "

Thanos isent a skyfather+ being. I noticed you said going toe to toe with Tyrant. That implies equalty. You cant have that when your losing a figth. Helding your own would be more appropiate.

Against Odin it was pretty clear. He had the durability and damage soak ability to take skyfather level blasts but -no- raw power to seriously hurt a skyfather oponnent. As you can see Odin wasent nearly as hurt and battered as Thanos was.

"5. Thor drove off a STARVING galactus with a godblast. This tells us what about thor's physical strength?"

No. It tells us about his power.

"6. I've already named numerous feats suggesting that thanos is vastly stronger than thor"

And he -is- considerably stronger. Just not 100x times more. I havent seen the evidence for that.

"Oh and as for the arm wrestling with herc feat, you mean this?"

No, he meant this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7170/planetpressure6vr.jpg

generating enough pressure to knock Earth out of orbit after said pressure smashed the mountain top where they wer, and still going at it.

"As for brb destroying planets, if you're referring to the stormbreaker saga, that's hardly a planet destroying feat. Stardust and galactus destroyed the planet while eating it"

Your out of your mind. He busted a planet while hitting Stardust. Talking about overrating a force field feat as > grabbing Mjolnir and downplaying a clear planet busting feat.

It's really hard to read your posts like that. Can you format the quotes or just leave them out?

1. No thanos blasting galactus to the ground did not happen in The End. And Thanos does not have the hotu. that pic is from "the hunger" storyline. In that pic he is unboosted. And galactus says that he is "well fed."

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/hungerthanos.htm

2. Let's look at the pic vs odin:

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img236&image=odin108cb.jpg

Thanos is just pushing up against a full-on blast from odin, and he grabs onto gungnir. That is exactly what I said. You, for some reason, want to deny it.

Note taht there is no counter blast; just physical effort. And this is after they've been fighting for a while, asgard has taken some damage, and as has odin (via a blast), so you can't say odin is pulling punches.

Moreover consider -- every other character odin blasts in this fight -- including many thor level heros -- is 1-shotted. Thanos, in contrast, actually has the physical strength to PUSH BACK UP AGAINST IT. (and this is presumably after odin has amped up his power levels considerably, since they'd been fighting for a few pages already, and odin had taken a shot)

No, the Bifrost Bridge is not inside of asgard. It's right next to it. And I didn't say that odin was power-less without asgard. Presumably, he'd be at least as powerful as an average asgardian. But it's clear that odin boosted with power from asgard is far more powerful than odin without it.

3. Batman doesn't take blows without plot devices? He's been punched by a bloodlusted superman on a number of occasions. He gets ko'd but is otherwise fine. How is that a "plot device"? It's a punch, nothign less nothing more. And superman is millions, trillions of times stronger than batman.

Or I guess we're all wrong, and in fact superman is actually only a couple times stronger than batman? Perhaps 1-2 ton range?

4. As for "toe to toe vs tyrant", let's look at the scans of the fight.

http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img194&image=tyrant78hy.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img162&image=tyrant83ga.jpg

It's a ridiculous feat of power, but I think you can't argue otherwise. Thanos actually has the upper hand at one point. I'd say "toe to toe" is a fair description.

5. Post the scan of brb. You might be right, but I don't remember it. Regardless, BRB has been shown to be vastly inferior to thanos on every occassion. Warrior madness fight, tyrant fight. His attacks do nothing, and he gets 1-shooted, by opponents thanos can actually knock around.

I'd say difference between:

Doing nothing

and

Knocking around

is around 100x. A child can hurt, and possibly even kill, an nfl lineman who can press 10x more weight. You have to get into the 100x range or more before strength differences can explain an immunity-harm gap.

Odin, galactus, tyrant... all probably thousands, maybe millions or trillions (in the latter two cases) more powerful than thor. And these are the only tyeps of enemies thanos has problems with. Even if you say thanos is considerably weaker than all 3 (clear for the latter two), that still leaves a range between 2x and 1000+x. Based on the way thanos consistently and effortlessly dusts thor-level heros, I think 100x is a reasonable estimate.

Originally posted by olympian
"1. Never tussled with galactus? There's an entire series where they fight. And galactus is said to be "well-fed." Here's a pic:

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?...alactus14jn.jpg

Loses eventually, but big G doesn't look in great shape either at the end of the fight."

First of all thats not the entire figth. Second, i already adressed that one. That hapenned in Thanos: The End, the same story where he defeat the entire Marvel Universe wielding the Heart of the Universe and where he busted a Celestial -point blank-.

"2. When has magneto blocked mjolnir, lol? Thor has drained mag's shield, and many similar energy fields, with ease"

And on another ocassions when figthing the Avengers, Mags shieds have protected him from Mjolnir to no effect from the later.

"If you didn't realize it, mjolnir has an enchantment by Odin that requires it to return to thor's hand. "

Correct.

"It's also a massively powerful artificat. A Thanos CLONE not only stopped it dead in the air, but also canceled its enchantment -- something zeus was unable to do."

😄

The page you posted shows otherwise. He uses a force field. -Where- did he canceled the enchantment? He merely avoied the hammer hitting him.

Zeus was able to do it yes. Anyone with eyes can see the scan. Unlike the clone he -grabbed it-, he didnt avoied it. Talking about overrating here.

"3. Beta ray bill has destroyed a planet? I'd like to see this."

Stormbreaker saga by Oeming.

"4. Odin wasn't in asgard? Was that a McDonald's disguised as Asgard? And didn't go "all out"? what comic are you reading? Thanos pushed back odin's blast and nearly took gungnir from odin's hand. I'm sure Odin "let him" do that, huh?"

The Brifost Bridge isent IN Asgard, chump.

The times Odin has gone all out it was against beings like Surtur and Seth and in all those, there wer second effects across the Universe.

And taking Gungir out of Odins hand its scretching. You saw him do that? Give me a break. He fougth yes to no avail.

"On neutral ground, I say thanos dusts odin."

I dont use this alot but: LoL.

"When has Odin shown offensive firepower commensurate to thanos' blasting galactus to the ground? Or going toe-to-toe to tyrant? HIs showing against the celestials is indicative of his power level outside of asgard -- with an enormous amount of planning, no less. "

The question should be more: When has Thanos -ever- had feats on Odins level, without plot devices ? :

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/694/odinseth40xl4ru.jpg

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"1. Odin has stated his power comes from asgard on multiple occasions. He has also been "weakened" when others have broken his connection to his realm as ruler, e.g. Loki on a few occasions. "

Odin in comics has stated that he can draw more power from Asgard if -needed-. Not that out of it he has none. Using sites or handbooks doesnt help your case. Same with Zeus and other skyfathers.

"When a ruler of a dimension is in his own realm, his powers increase to near-omnipotence."

Obviously. If he choses to use it all. Odin btw has you can see in the scans i provided has fought and use his might outside of Asgard. Few appearances? Yeah he just showed up practically in every Thor issue run and the first exceeded the issue # 500...

"If Thanos has 100x thor's strength, that does not necessarily mean he can break thor's neck in 1 blow. First, this is a comic, and you see people like batman and wolverine receiving blows from people literally millions of times stronger than them"

And this is where your logic is flawed. EVEN in comics, Batman doesnt take blows from way stronger characters without a plot device. Wolverine OTOH already has two. Durability in form of a adamantium skeleton AND a insane healing factor. That still doesnt stop him to get ko sometimes.

"That sort of status is generally reserved for skyfather+ beings, of which thanos is one. "

Thanos isent a skyfather+ being. I noticed you said going toe to toe with Tyrant. That implies equalty. You cant have that when your losing a figth. Helding your own would be more appropiate.

Against Odin it was pretty clear. He had the durability and damage soak ability to take skyfather level blasts but -no- raw power to seriously hurt a skyfather oponnent. As you can see Odin wasent nearly as hurt and battered as Thanos was.

"5. Thor drove off a STARVING galactus with a godblast. This tells us what about thor's physical strength?"

No. It tells us about his power.

"6. I've already named numerous feats suggesting that thanos is vastly stronger than thor"

And he -is- considerably stronger. Just not 100x times more. I havent seen the evidence for that.

"Oh and as for the arm wrestling with herc feat, you mean this?"

No, he meant this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7170/planetpressure6vr.jpg

generating enough pressure to knock Earth out of orbit after said pressure smashed the mountain top where they wer, and still going at it.

"As for brb destroying planets, if you're referring to the stormbreaker saga, that's hardly a planet destroying feat. Stardust and galactus destroyed the planet while eating it"

Your out of your mind. He busted a planet while hitting Stardust. Talking about overrating a force field feat as > grabbing Mjolnir and downplaying a clear planet busting feat.

nice olly. and thanks for dragging out that armwrestling scan. that'd have been a pain to find. we don't find ourselves on the same side often. good to see it CAN happen at times . . . 😉

personally, i'm not even sure about the 'considerably stronger' label you pinned on him. depends on what you consider 'considerably stronger', i suppose. stronger, yes. twice as strong? hmm, i don't know i'd go even THAT far. thor is about as strong as anyone in comics. to say someone is double his strength is really saying something. if he had on his belt of strength you think he could battle thanos h2h evenly? i think so. in the thanos v superman thread, no one one thanos's side could even give clear evidence that thanos is definitely stronger than superman! and that thread went on for a long time . . .

i'll post some scans to show some of slade's nonsense later today.

100x stronger? so thor is high cl100. thanos is what, high class 10000???

ridiculous.

Originally posted by leonidas
nice olly. and thanks for dragging out that armwrestling scan. that'd have been a pain to find. we don't find ourselves on the same side often. good to see it CAN happen at times . . . 😉

personally, i'm not even sure about the 'considerably stronger' label you pinned on him. depends on what you consider 'considerably stronger', i suppose. stronger, yes. twice as strong? hmm, i don't know i'd go even THAT far. thor is about as strong as anyone in comics. to say someone is double his strength is really saying something. if he had on his belt of strength you think he could battle thanos h2h evenly? i think so. in the thanos v superman thread, no one one thanos's side could even give clear evidence that thanos is definitely stronger than superman! and that thread went on for a long time . . .

i'll post some scans to show some of slade's nonsense later today.

100x stronger? so thor is high cl100. thanos is what, high class 10000???

ridiculous.

So your argument amounts to:

thor is strong, therefore thanos cannot be much stronger.

Convinced me! 🙄

Oh and to bring this back to topic:

power gem > belt of strength

And it's not even a close comparison. Given that thanos was getting the better of thor with the power gem (AND warrior madness), your position is quite absurd.

Originally posted by slade10
Oh and to bring this back to topic:

power gem > belt of strength

And it's not even a close comparison. Given that thanos was getting the better of thor with the power gem (AND warrior madness), your position is quite absurd.

proof? tell me something that a power gem wielder has done that someone without hasn't done? please, be my guest.

'fraid there's only one absurd stance around here . . .

"http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?...e=odin108cb.jpg

Thanos is just pushing up against a full-on blast from odin, and he grabs onto gungnir. That is exactly what I said. You, for some reason, want to deny it. "

Oly- You said he almost took Gungir out of Odins hand. Where was that "almost"? He wrestles after he grabs the weapon but where is the indication from Odins part he was sucedding in taking it from him?

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"No, the Bifrost Bridge is not inside of asgard. It's right next to it. And I didn't say that odin was power-less without asgard. Presumably, he'd be at least as powerful as an average asgardian. But it's clear that odin boosted with power from asgard is far more powerful than odin without it. "

Oly- And your still wrong. Out of Asgard Odin its still skyfather level. I already posted the scans of him doing things beyond what Thanos has ever done without a plot device like the HOTU or the IG. And -out- of his realm.

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"Batman doesn't take blows without plot devices? He's been punched by a bloodlusted superman on a number of occasions. He gets ko'd but is otherwise fine. How is that a "plot device"? It's a punch, nothign less nothing more. And superman is millions, trillions of times stronger than batman. "

Olympian- Yeah. He -only- uses the Kryptonyte rings OR an armour, or some other plot device that happens to give him an advantage. Another case its obviously like in Lex Luthor`s mini where Superman beats on Batman on an alley while -holding back-.

An encounter where Kal goes "all out" and beats on Batman and this one without any protection survives, its simply bad writting. And looking at it, how many examples of that are out there?

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"5. Post the scan of brb. You might be right, but I don't remember it. Regardless, BRB has been shown to be vastly inferior to thanos on every occassion. Warrior madness fight, tyrant fight. His attacks do nothing, and he gets 1-shooted, by opponents thanos can actually knock around."

Oly- In this page:

http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=93025&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=690

And about the Galactus figth, Yes It wasent the "Thanos: the End". My mistake, the artist being probably the same led me in error. But lets see the whole figth shall we? Follow the page until the end to see the whole thing:

http://superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=93025&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=630

The one thing in common? Doesnt matter how much of a figth Thanos puts on, hes outclassed. And -he knows it-. Odin is closer by feats and battles to Galactus than Thanos will ever be. Thanos puts a good figth but thats about it. You can also find the whole Infinity Watch+Thanos vs Odin battle in that thread. Go to the first page where you have a resume of all figths on each page.

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"nice olly. and thanks for dragging out that armwrestling scan. that'd have been a pain to find. we don't find ourselves on the same side often. good to see it CAN happen at times ."

Oly- No problem. I always have those around.

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"personally, i'm not even sure about the 'considerably stronger' label you pinned on him. depends on what you consider 'considerably stronger', i suppose. stronger, yes. twice as strong? hmm, i don't know i'd go even THAT"

Oly- I dont use numbers. Thanos its below skyfather level in pretty much all regards. That makes him however above the Top tier and Herald level by a good margin. I use "considerably" because i want to make sure for anyone whos reading that there is a distinction between those classes.

About how Thanos would fair against Thor with the belt of strenght, im not sure.

Originally posted by slade10
So your argument amounts to:

thor is strong, therefore thanos cannot be much stronger.

Convinced me! 🙄

Originally posted by slade10
So your argument amounts to:

thor is strong, therefore thanos cannot be much stronger.

Convinced me! 🙄

er, yah, that's what i've been trying to say . . . 😂

it goes more like this -- thanos greatest strength feat is shattering a planet in battle with drax. thor has sent a planet out of orbit by ARMWRESTLING. bill smashed a planet by driving a stake through stardust. gladiator has smashed a planet. is HE 100x stronger than thor too? so it's more like: thor's strength feats are every bit as impressive as thanos's strength feats. you keep saying thanos beats a bunch of thor level guys 'easily' all at the same time. he bonked a couple heads together so he's 100x stronger than them?? again, ludicrous. all these 'other times' you allude to constantly -- any examples of said times?

let's point out your errors so far . . .

1. you were factually wrong when you said thanos 'beat' champ. he got the gem from champ so he accomplished his goal, but he did not 'beat him', at least not in the traditional KO sense of the word. he's smarter than champ, he got in a couple punches but fer crying out loud ss has KO'D champ WHILE he had the gem. yet thanos needed to use trickery to get it? that doesn't really support your case . . .

2. you said thanos beat thing and thor. if thanos was 100x stronger, than thor, he'd barely notice ben. the scan below seems to suggest he DOES notice him . . . only his eye blasts give him the advantage.

3. the battle with odin took place on bifrost which is the TRANSITION point between asgard and earth -- it is not IN asgard. it carried into asgard but nothing indicates odin suddenly became 'more powerful' when he stepped through its walls. you've also admitted to having no proof about odin being more powerful in asgard, only speculation so that point can be tossed out for lack of evidence. you also keep comparing how other characters do against someone compared to how thanos does. thanos IS more powerful than top tier guys. but he is NOT 100x stronger than thor. scan below shows thanos struggling to stand and being ready to continue, but odin being completely undamaged. a great durability showing for thanos, but he did not put odin in any danger whatsoever. thor once fought zeus for MONTHS. who had the better showing against a skyfather?

4. you did NOT say bats takes bloodlusted punches from superman without plot devices, did you . . .? if that IS what you are implying, end the discussion, step away from the computer and take the toaster into the tub . . .

5. thanos on his own was getting OWNED by tyrant. it wasn't until he had the orb that things changed. even in that scan you showed he's HOLDING the orb. my scan shows what happened before he got the orb, and that he is desperate to reach it. i'm sure it was coincidence that when he got it the fight became more even . . . 🙄

6. power gem>belt of strength. maybe, but you have no proof. prof hulk stalemated drax while he had it. herc stalemated drax while he had it. champ blew up a planet, but whoopee. who hasn't. so . . . what exactly has the power gem done again . . .? power gem=overrated. there wasn't even any definitive proof thor accessed its power while fighting thanos. he throttled bill and ss and warlock WITHOUT it. warlock, whom thanos fears, incidentally . . . what proof is there that thor could access any power from the gem?

7. thanos does NOT tussle with galactus. one shot, force field destroyed, thanos left crumpled and laying. second would have killed him. thor chased off g with a single godforce blast. g was 'starving'? proof? when g was at 'the weakest he had ever been,' it took the keeper to take him down!

so, here are some scans. first the ending of the odin fight: thanos struggling to rise, odin unharmed. recall thor once battled zeus for MONTHS. whose showing was better . . .?

thanos PRE-orb. his attack doing nothing to tyrant:

this is ALSO PRE-orb. oh yeah, here's doing REAL well. clearly a near match for tyrant . . . 🙄 reaches for the orb because he's getting OWNED . . .

oops, HERE he reaches for the orb. small difference in how the fight is going . . . coincidence, of course. the orb clearly had no impact on thanos's power level and he would have done just fine without it . . . 😂

here is thanos 'EASILY' beating down thing and thor . . . 😂