Originally posted by jenzie
money is the problem
so, with every problem ..... you solve it ..... or get rid of it!personally i could do without it .....
Before money there were pelts and land etc etc someonthing of value for something else the barter system...............no matter what system you use something always has an assigned value to the culture and "pay" is in accordance with that.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Jellos has it. It is property that creates poverty. Wealth is just the modern means of regulating property.But so long as anyone can own things, there will always be some that have much less than the average.
Obviously, you can never have people not owning things, so that's that. it is part of life.
Wow, you're agreeing with the main tennants of the financial theory of mutualism!!!
Are you becoming sympathetic toward anarchism too Ushgarak?
Err... no, there would be poverty. What a strange piece of logic.
And Jello, no, because I think political anarchy is daft. I'm saying there are some things in life you just have to deal with. You can try and reduce it or cope with it but the possibility for poverty will always exist and it is not the fault of wealth, it is the fault of existence. The thread starter really means that GREED creates it, and if you can find a way to remove greed from Humans that is a. very impressive but also b. not very useful as civilisation is rather driven by it.
there is one very easy soution to these problems, just create advanced robots to do ALL the physical or time intensive labour in the world, like planting. growin and harvesting crops, mining, getting raw materials, creating items for use, driving cars. makin luxury items, taking care of the old, rescuing, transporting, filing, recording etc. then all any huma will have to do is sit at home and get all the products they want, there would be no need for money as ull get everythin u want without payin any taxes, u wont have to do any work n u can spend ur time on liesure activites or on research of ur own choice{which the people, bored by not havin any WORK to do would gladly take up t spend time} or on givin the robot's intruction, no1 will be allowed to acquire resources or subordinate HUMANS, because THAT is what makes people POWERFUL{rich in other words in these days} n im NOT fantasizin here, its POSSIBLE to end most of the world's problems like this, i we could make loads of advances robots having high intelligence{not self aware} in the field they were in, then wed have nuthin to wory about, there would be enough resources for any1 to get most conforts of life{remember that its not the comforts that make the problem but the POWER n no1 will be allowed to be more powerful than any1 else} without bein better than any1 else around em. the world would reach a balance n then mankin could enhance its own knowledge, take up philosophy, spen all the time in the world on liesure without worrying or working n have a peace of mind unknown to almost any1 now. sigh................wish it cud happen in my lifetime.
I've never read dune... I've heard its very good but never got round to it.. but what was your point PVS??
As far as advanced robots go... Please enlighten us as to how this could be done.. If it was possible don't you think they would of done it?? while it might be possible in the future.. i don't think it is now... and even then its something that only the wealthy elite could aford... while your at it why don't you create a never ending source of food and a time machine to fix past errors..
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i already said, SMART but NOT self aware.
how can you dictate that? if one machine were to become self aware, chances are there would be countless other identical machines which would follow.
:edit: also, in dune it wasnt the machines which enslaved the human race, but rather evil men who used the machines as soldiers/slave masters.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I've never read dune... I've heard its very good but never got round to it.. but what was your point PVS??As far as advanced robots go... Please enlighten us as to how this could be done.. If it was possible don't you think they would of done it?? while it might be possible in the future.. i don't think it is now... and even then its something that only the wealthy elite could aford... while your at it why don't you create a never ending source of food and a time machine to fix past errors..
its a long ass explanation but ill summarize. the NATIONS of the world should build machine, not individuals, because if individuals build em theyd have POWER, n POWER is what needs to be eliminated frmo the world. think of it like this, the PERFECT sort of communism, NO1 has power. the reason why communism failed is because it cudnt control people gettin too much power and cudt SUPPLY its people with resources in return for their submission of personal power. robots will take care of the resources, every1 wud be equal and every1 will have all the pleasures of life TOO.