Originally posted by PVS
how can you dictate that? if one machine were to become self aware, chances are there would be countless other identical machines which would follow.:edit: also, in dune it wasnt the machines which enslaved the human race, but rather evil men who used the machines as soldiers/slave masters.
u can if u make many small machines to do small {processing wise} jobs, they WUDNT be able to become self aware.
Originally posted by PVS
i edited my post. check again
Secondary line of programming... "Never kill a human"
Sure theres always going to be some bad apples that will try to pollute the world... It would be the job of the robot police to detain them... 😛
While robots might be a nice dream... What if arguments are a bit tedious.. If we created a robot whos only fuction was to plant trees to produce wood... Could he be turned against us?
or perhaps one thats only job was to produce wheat....
there AI wouldn't have to be overly complex as it would just have to run a set lot of tasks.. With very little human input...
This is all dodging the issue. Robots are like machines, and machines have done nothing to change economics.
Why? Because SOMEONE has to own them. You still end up with limited resources in the world, yet people have unlimited wants. This is the base principle of economics, and so there will be competition for those resources, and greed involved to gt as much as possible, and people will lose out.
the people in control dont want a happy loving free society. they want everyone one controlled and subdued. there should be many ways too create a happy world, those pricks making trillions are selfish and only by creating chaoos can they make there money. they dont want to help, and we help them by doing nothing.
why is the world run this way? woudnt the world be a better place if we..WHOA stop right there.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
This is all dodging the issue. Robots are like machines, and machines have done nothing to change economics.Why? Because SOMEONE has to own them. You still end up with limited resources in the world, yet people have unlimited wants. This is the base principle of economics, and so there will be competition for those resources, and greed involved to gt as much as possible, and people will lose out.
its NOT dodging the issue its takin it head on, im not just some kid with a wild theory i have thought about it for years n years, economically, socially, psychologically n well in every way, ive thought about it, n im only writin the gist of what i believe, i cud write a damn book if i were to completely explain, my idea, its reprecussion, the problems facing it n how ot deal with them, the route of those problems, the problems that plague mankind n how robots SHOULD be used to deal with them n the ways to prevent the unjust use of these machenical resources.
n yea, i already said that the GOVERNMENT will own them. {ideally a universal government with no countries etc} no man will be ALLOWED to own them as that gives individuals power n power is what we are tryin to destroy{that power translates to owning money and resources in the world which makes the wrest of the world POOR which was the reason for this thread}
Originally posted by PVS
thats what i KNOW.
so long as evil exists, there will never be utopia. E.V.E.R.
communism only serves as a springboard for evil men to gain
absolute power.never gonna happen.
there are ways to get around that, u only believe that there will never be a utopia because there never has been n no1 has been able to tackle the problems leadin to it, plus the idea of evil always existin is romantic and likeable. evil might exist but if its given no hands{tools n power} it can do nuthing.
Bottom line is that poverty is necessary for a society to thrive.
Taking sociology classes has enlightened me to that realization.
A society cannot flourish without having an oppressed class who is willing to do the dirty work necessary to live. We cannot all be Rockefellers.
Now the question is can the degree of poverty be gauged and minimalized?Just because a person is terminally ill, alleviating their suffering should still be a priority
Originally posted by LordFear
Bottom line is that poverty is necessary for a society to thrive.
Taking sociology classes has enlightened me to that realization.
A society cannot flourish without having an oppressed class who is willing to do the dirty work necessary to live. We cannot all be Rockefellers.
Now the question is can the degree of poverty be gauged and minimalized?Just because a person is terminally ill, alleviating their suffering should still be a priority
n THAS why robots are good, they can do ALL the dirty work n do it much much better n efficiently than humans, with them doin it every1 wud be rich as there wud be enough resources for every1.
Well now a whole issue of morality and ethics comes into play.
Long has man attempted to understand God's creations and duplicate them. We humans suffer from a God complex and creating robots in our image is a testament to that fact. If anybody has ever seen I, Robot with Will Smith, and even Matrix, you will understand.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
evil might exist but if its given no hands{tools n power} it can do nuthing.
rhetorical nonesense.
there's what you wish for, and there is what is.
there has never been a single socialist society that hasnt
paved the way for an IMMEDIATE dictatorship. history vs. your
overly wishful and naive rhetoric (which btw was the exact thinking
behind the formation of every communist dictatorship).
which shall we trust?
here's a bit of all too true rhetoric in return:
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Originally posted by PVS
rhetorical nonesense.
there's what you wish for, and there is what is.
there has never been a single socialist society that hasnt
paved the way for an IMMEDIATE dictatorship. history vs. your
overly wishful and naive rhetoric (which btw was the exact thinking
behind the formation of every communist dictatorship).
which shall we trust?here's a bit of all too true rhetoric in return:
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
first and foremost, tell me sumthing. what is the road to HEAVEN paved by? would u rather have bad intentions n hope for the best or have good intentions n TRY ur level best to point the road to heaven as opposed to hell. the REASON why good intentions have failed in the past is because the people did not understand the problems facing the populace that the decisions based on good intentions affected. in other words the people that made those decisions were STUPID n didnt know enough. my thinking may be wishful but atleast its a start, many wudv said that the thinkin of americans before america was born was wishful, tryin to get a land of freedom of speech, action, thought, relegion n watnot, but they did, n now even though theyr not perfect they still have kept those qualities to a much MUCH greater extent than MOSY of the world. some might have said it was wishful to create nuclear energy n destroy matter but they did it. n the REASON why communism has always led to dictatorship is because SUM1 had power while no1 else did{that sum1 that SHUD NOT HAVE HAD POWER] also communism requires an obedient workforce who works like animals n gets little in return THAS ALSO a huge reason for its failure as people became unhappy, {btw the concept of communism means that NO1 shud have power and obviously when only one perso has all the power, hes gonna use it} IF u had robots there would be no NEED for this labour/work force,everyone would get a LOT even when they did nuthin in return, n NO1 would be allowed to have POWER{not even one person} therefore no1 would be able to dictat ANYTHING, n robots camn make that happen, it is with humans that u have loopholes which dictators can take advantage of n come to power.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
first and foremost, tell me sumthing. what is the road to HEAVEN paved by? would u rather have bad intentions n hope for the best or have good intentions n TRY ur level best to point the road to heaven as opposed to hell. the REASON why good intentions have failed in the past is because the people did not understand the problems facing the populace that the decisions based on good intentions affected. in other words the people that made those decisions were STUPID n didnt know enough. my thinking may be wishful but atleast its a start, many wudv said that the thinkin of americans before america was born was wishful, tryin to get a land of freedom of speech, action, thought, relegion n watnot, but they did, n now even though theyr not perfect they still have kept those qualities to a much MUCH greater extent than MOSY of the world. some might have said it was wishful to create nuclear energy n destroy matter but they did it. n the REASON why communism has always led to dictatorship is because SUM1 had power while no1 else did{that sum1 that SHUD NOT HAVE HAD POWER] also communism requires an obedient workforce who works like animals n gets little in return THAS ALSO a huge reason for its failure as people became unhappy, {btw the concept of communism means that NO1 shud have power and obviously when only one perso has all the power, hes gonna use it} IF u had robots there would be no NEED for this labour/work force,everyone would get a LOT even when they did nuthin in return, n NO1 would be allowed to have POWER{not even one person} therefore no1 would be able to dictat ANYTHING, n robots camn make that happen, it is with humans that u have loopholes which dictators can take advantage of n come to power.
use proper pauses, spellcheck, and group this into appropriate paragraphs and i promise i'll read it.
honestly, im not trying to break your balls, but thats just obnoxiously difficult to read. the whole teen speak thing doesnt help either. u-no?
I can't cope with this reality. It's more than I can handle. The best phrase to describe it? Incredulous stupefaction. My head just wags back and forth involuntarily these days.Some of my friends say I simply read too much bad news. Since the 9/11 deception, there's been anthrax, Afghanistan, Patriot Act, and Iraq, to list the major chapters that go along with perhaps the worst of all the atrocities, that never-ending story about the mass murder of the Palestinians that the world seems so good at ignoring. And I've been writing about all this ceaselessly for the past couple of years. And I don't mean to demean all those wonderful people who have written to me in appreciative support, but hell, there are six billion people in the world, and most of them are not listening, or doing anything constructive to stop this juggernaut of carnage that is really the world's dominant moneymaking operation.
Strife makes money for the rich losers who foment it. And it's getting me down to the point of speechlessness.
What hope exists if people who profess to adhere to the principles of the good life remain silent?
first and foremost, tell me something. what is the road to HEAVEN paved by? would u rather have bad intentions and hope for the best or have good intentions and TRY ur level best to point the road to heaven as opposed to hell. the REASON why good intentions have failed in the past is because the people did not understand the problems facing the populace that the decisions based on good intentions affected. in other words the people that made those decisions were STUPID and didnt know enough. my thinking may be wishful but atleast its a start, many would have said that the thinking of americans before america was born was wishful, trying to get a land of freedom of speech, action, thought, relegion and whatnot, but they did, and now even though they are not perfect they still have kept those qualities to a much MUCH greater extent than MOST of the world. some might have said it was wishful to create nuclear energy and destroy matter but they did it. and the REASON why communism has always led to dictatorship is because SOME ONE had power while no ONE else did{that sum1 that SHUD NOT HAVE HAD POWER] also communism requires an obedient workforce who works like animals and gets little in return THATS ALSO a huge reason for its failure as people became unhappy, {btw the concept of communism means that NO ONE shud have power and obviously when only one Pearson has all the power, hes gonna use it n thats where tyrrany comes from} IF YOU had robots there would be no NEED for this labour/work force,everyone would get a LOT even when they did nuthing in return, and NO ONE would be allowed to have POWER{not even one person} therefore no one would be able to dictate ANYTHING, and robots can make that happen, it is with humans that you have loopholes which dictators can take advantage of and come to power.
the meaning of the phrase is simple lionheart.
drastic action with poor planning and unrealistic anticipation of events
can lead a society out of the proverbial pot and into the fire.
the requirement of a socialist society is unconditional trust for government.
by weaving words into beautiful poetry idealist have managed to convince people that it was possible. "all we need to do is make sure that a. b. and c. does not happen, and we must blah blah blah" then comes the revolution and then comes reality. reality is dictatorship. reality is a bullethole in the back of your skull because you spoke your mind, or offended the power that you put all your trust in, or maybe you just decided to have a hit of opium and got caught.
reality is slave labor, breaking your back to an early death working to stuff the pockets of the leaders you put all your trust in, because of the beautiful words of some idealistic poet who made so much sense way back when.
utopia is an illusion. a pipe dream which is history's most
powerful tool in controlling an entire population in practically no time at all.
give them a dream of perfection and they will submit their very lives and every freedom, so long as they are convinced that its necessary to achieve their goal, if not for them, for their childrens childrens children.
a carrot on a stick if you will.