Originally posted by slade10
Avalon, I have to say -- arguing with you is incredibly annoying. You make the strangest and most contorted arguments for your own characters, then turn around and refuse to see common sense arguments made on behalf of others.1. This is not a durability feat. Thanos is punching thor in a 1on1 fight and smashing him all over the room. If thor is outclassing him in strength, that should not happen. These are not surprise blows, or blows in the back. These are blows straight to thor's face and body, blows that thor is fully prepared to take. If thor is vastly stronger than thanos, he should be able to take them better.
2. Have you even read blood and thunder? Or any other comic where thor is suffering from warrior madness? Thor is not "bats in the belfry" insane. He has warrior madness. He can still think and reason; it's just that his singular goal is to destroy his enemies.
In short, he is not walking around with this face:
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=601c1_Silver_Surfer_v3_088_03_04.jpg
because he is bnokers, or for the fun of it. That is a face of pain. There is no other way to interpret it. If you think otherwise, and if you are making faces like this regularly in life when you are not in pain, then YOU are insane.
3. Thanos has defeated teams similar to the team wm thor beat on many occasions and won easily. He has also defeated power gem wielders. He has the best tech in the universe, aside from galactus and the celestials. And he has virtually limitless cosmic energy that he can channel through that tech. In short, thanos tech = odin's artifacts >= strange's magic -- which can indeed be > power gem/wm thor/infinity watch.
You only call PIS because you don't know these characters. Which is what makes it so completely absurd for you to be commenting on these threads as if you are some sort of authority.
4. I still have yet to see anyone make an argument as to why 2x is a good estimate. Simply stating that thor is very strong at normal strength is not an argument. Yes, 100x thor strenght is very high, and in the real world would be impossible. But guess what? 1x thor strength is also very high, and in the real world would be impossible. I haven't seen anyone carrying the planet earth around? Have you?
Characters thanos crushes regularly have at least star destroying capability (drax, surfer, various other heralds). The average star is millions of times larger than the earth. If thor maxes out at moving the earth, I don't see why thanos can't max out at moving a planet 100 times the mass of the earth (jupiter, for example, is only 1000 times larger). Indeed, given the likely boost granted by the power gem, 100x seems to me to be a conservative estimate. 100x implies either that:
a. the power gem grants a mere 10x boost, less than the unipower and the same as warrior madness;
or
b. it gives a greater than 10x boost, but the above fight is not supposed to indicate rough equality (or, as is my view, thanos superiority) but rather is supposed to indicate that thanos is in fact vastly weaker than thor, despite the fact that he is smashing him all over the place.
neither assumption seems very plausible to me; they are almost laughably conservative. But even with these extremely conservative assumptions, you get at least a 100x result.
It's annoying for you because it's not incredibly hard to dispute your points. In fact, it's pretty easy. I'm not the one making the ridiculous 100x time strength assumption, and I don't need to write a book on it to prove my point. Proceeding to insults just makes you look petty.
I read through your essay, and it's more of the same basura in detail.
Then you question my authority when in fact it's just disagreeing with your ridiculous opinion. Obviously, you don't know other characters as well as you think either. I'm by far not the only one who disagrees with you.
I could pick apart your essay without too much effort and make you tongue tie yourself, but obviously it's pretty pointless.
Feel free to go to Marvel and tell them that Thanos is 100x stronger than everyone. When they laugh you out of the building, and call you insane we'll still be here for you buddy singing the "cheers" song 😄
Originally posted by slade10
actually, it's a terrible point. If anything, this is a poor durability showing. I don't recall any other instance where thanos has been visibly harmed by a physical attack.of course, this is a power gem wielder. But it still doesn't make any sense, given that thanos has molecular control in his powerset, and in fact cannot be destroyed unless his molecules are completely dispersed. ANything less than a cosmic energy wielder should not be able to harm him. Silver surfer certainly hasn't had much luck even with that.
Yes. 100x stronger...so now Thanos with the POWER INFINITY gem, gets ko'd briefly by a "standard" bootleg Thor.
IMO guys like wolverine and spiderman have no business touching thanos i mean there giving him a fight and then a few comics later he back hands the hulk like a pansy but i also dont think he's 100 times more powerful then thor he is strong enough to fight thor and the thing and the avengers at once but there are other beings who are that strong but i dont think there 100 times as strong like that sea being in korvac saga who was uber strong but like i said i dont think he was 100 times stronger then thor also Ultron again i dont think he's 100 times as strong as thor or he wouldnt have had any trouble with even a savage hulk if you ask me.
"my point exactly. i never claimed thor would win a fight. the whole point of this 3-day-long debacle, has been to say that thanos is NOT 100x stronger than thor, and the very idea is ridiculous.
i might even go as far as to say thanos might beat thor in a fist fight even if thor HAD the belt, but i happen to think it would be a great fight, and it could go either way. to say someone is more than 2x as strong as thor is really saying something considering some of thor's feats . . . to say they are 100x, and claim that it is in line with marvel's depiction of thanos, is . . . unbelieveable"
Good post Leo.
I dont see whats the problem with this view actually. Thanos can even beat Thor with the belt i can well see that. Heck. We already know hes depicted as more powerful usually. But 100 x times physically stronger based exactly on -what-?
Yes Thanos wins but if he was 100 times stronger, every top tier guy/gal he ever faced would be dead within one-two punches. How many wer? None.
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"I say that thanos wins simply because of the strong showings that thanos has, he has been shown to take down hercules who is more powerful than thor even with the belt."
Thats wrong KA. Hercules in strenght its a -peer- of Thor and in most showings (sans the higher high ends) of Hulk. The big problem is even if you have the opinion he is sligthy stronger already from the start, that still makes him weaker than a full double strenght Thor.
He could hang out with a double strenght Thor, but equal it? Dont see it. Much less surpassing it. Unless someone its really jobbing out of his life.
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"Thanos both admitting he can die, AND getting knocked through space...again by a standard bootleg THOR"
The statement about dying was disaproved, considering he survived the explosion.
Avalon, thank you for proving my point.
1. First you argue that wm thor getting knocked around REPEATEDLY by thanos 1on1 is not a significant feat, because thor is only a few hundred pounds. Then you turn around and take the opposite position when it comes to thanos getting hit ONCE by spider-man (while he’s fighting, what 20 some other heros). Shouldn’t you, rather, be saying that thanos is only a few hundred pounds, so it makes perfect sense for spider-man (a 20 ton hero) to jostle him? After all, spider-man can certainly kick something a few hundred pounds, can he not?
Make up your mind, please. Or don’t -- and further establish my point about your ridiculous inconsistency.
2. You really want to cite that infinity gauntlet fight as a low strength showing? You know, the one where he TURNS OFF THE INFINITY GAUNTLET, then proceeds to absolutely crush thor, namor, firelord, spider-man, nova, drax, iron man, she-hulk, hulk, vision, cloak, quasar, doom, and many others I can’t even remember? And is COMPLETELY unharmed at the end of it? And where heroes were said to have a <1% chance of victory at the start of the fight?
3. The thor pic looks impressive, except that was not normal thor. It was thor boosted by the belt of strength AND the odinforce. And just as laughably, it was not even thanos – it was retconned to be a weak clone. Notably, thor could not even HARM thanos (or actually, the thanos clone) prior to being boosted by the odinforce.
4. The Tyrant fight? You have got to be kidding me. This guy is a galaxy-destroying threat who almost killed GALACTUS in a later comic (until morg saved him with the ultimate nullifer). Going toe to toe to him is supposed to prove that I’m wrong? That is insane.
5. Finally, the green lantern CROSSOVER… hrm, you mean the one where thanos saved kyle’s ass a moment before terrax was going to behead him? The one where kyle was unable to even touch terrax, but thanos ko’d him in one shot? And the one where thanos was later placed up against PARALLAX in a 1on1 fight?
You post that pic and conveniently edit out the bottom of the picture – you know the part that shows Kyle DRAINING PARALLAX as well. Are you trying to prove your own dishonesty? If so, great work!
In addition to being a crossover (and thus non-canon), even I am willing to say this is a clear case of PIS. If a single GL could drain parallax with a thought, why wouldn’t they have done it BEFORE the corps was destroyed?
Originally posted by slade10
Avalon, thank you for proving my point.1. First you argue that wm thor getting knocked around REPEATEDLY by thanos 1on1 is not a significant feat, because thor is only a few hundred pounds. Then you turn around and take the opposite position when it comes to thanos getting hit ONCE by spider-man (while he’s fighting, what 20 some other heros). Shouldn’t you, rather, be saying that thanos is only a few hundred pounds, so it makes perfect sense for spider-man (a 20 ton hero) to jostle him? After all, spider-man can certainly kick something a few hundred pounds, can he not?
Make up your mind, please. Or don’t -- and further establish my point about your ridiculous inconsistency.
2. You really want to cite that infinity gauntlet fight as a low strength showing? You know, the one where he TURNS OFF THE INFINITY GAUNTLET, then proceeds to absolutely crush thor, namor, firelord, spider-man, nova, drax, iron man, she-hulk, hulk, vision, cloak, quasar, doom, and many others I can’t even remember? And is COMPLETELY unharmed at the end of it? And where heroes were said to have a <1% chance of victory at the start of the fight?
3. The thor pic looks impressive, except that was not normal thor. It was thor boosted by the belt of strength AND the odinforce. And just as laughably, it was not even thanos – it was retconned to be a weak clone. Notably, thor could not even HARM thanos (or actually, the thanos clone) prior to being boosted by the odinforce.
4. The Tyrant fight? You have got to be kidding me. This guy is a galaxy-destroying threat who almost killed GALACTUS in a later comic (until morg saved him with the ultimate nullifer). Going toe to toe to him is supposed to prove that I’m wrong? That is insane.
5. Finally, the green lantern CROSSOVER… hrm, you mean the one where thanos saved kyle’s ass a moment before terrax was going to behead him? The one where kyle was unable to even touch terrax, but thanos ko’d him in one shot? And the one where thanos was later placed up against PARALLAX in a 1on1 fight?
You post that pic and conveniently edit out the bottom of the picture – you know the part that shows Kyle DRAINING PARALLAX as well. Are you trying to prove your own dishonesty? If so, great work!
In addition to being a crossover (and thus non-canon), even I am willing to say this is a clear case of PIS. If a single GL could drain parallax with a thought, why wouldn’t they have done it BEFORE the corps was destroyed?
I see there's a heated debate going on here.
Not taking sides or anything, but this guys points sound pretty darn valid and well informed.
Thanos fighting parallax 1on1. This goes on for a few pages, with no clear winner. Parallax creates stuff, and thanos blows it to smithereens. Parallax has been boosted by the surfer's power cosmic, and thanos has sampled a green lantern ring. (but then subsequently gave it back to kyle for some reason, lol) The clear interpretation of the story arc, i think, is that thanos and parallax are supposed to be roughly equals.
Later, kyle draining both thanos AND parallax of their powers, lol. There's no strange plot device here. He just decides drain them, then does so. There's no further fighting after this, as thanos is pulled back into the marvel universe.
Earlier on, Kyle failing to even harm terrax (notice terrax flipping away a GL blast with his axe like a fly), then about to be beheaded when thanos comes in and saves him by 1 shotting terrax.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
WOW.Anyone care to explain this?
Wolverine pierces everything -- hulk, lobo. The fight goes on and thanos is completely unharmed. I'll post pics of that fight later. including the pic after one of the ones avalon posted -- where thanos picks thor up by his cloak like a ragdoll and tosses him into space.
It's a pretty amazing display of power and versatility.
