thanos v thor w/belt of strength: fist fight only!

Originally posted by olympian
"my point exactly. i never claimed thor would win a fight. the whole point of this 3-day-long debacle, has been to say that thanos is NOT 100x stronger than thor, and the very idea is ridiculous.

i might even go as far as to say thanos might beat thor in a fist fight even if thor HAD the belt, but i happen to think it would be a great fight, and it could go either way. to say someone is more than 2x as strong as thor is really saying something considering some of thor's feats . . . to say they are 100x, and claim that it is in line with marvel's depiction of thanos, is . . . unbelieveable"

Good post Leo.

I dont see whats the problem with this view actually. Thanos can even beat Thor with the belt i can well see that. Heck. We already know hes depicted as more powerful usually. But 100 x times physically stronger based exactly on -what-?

Yes Thanos wins but if he was 100 times stronger, every top tier guy/gal he ever faced would be dead within one-two punches. How many wer? None.

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"I say that thanos wins simply because of the strong showings that thanos has, he has been shown to take down hercules who is more powerful than thor even with the belt."

Thats wrong KA. Hercules in strenght its a -peer- of Thor and in most showings (sans the higher high ends) of Hulk. The big problem is even if you have the opinion he is sligthy stronger already from the start, that still makes him weaker than a full double strenght Thor.

He could hang out with a double strenght Thor, but equal it? Dont see it. Much less surpassing it. Unless someone its really jobbing out of his life.

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"Thanos both admitting he can die, AND getting knocked through space...again by a standard bootleg THOR"

The statement about dying was disaproved, considering he survived the explosion.

Agreed with all.
Minus the dying point. He admited he could die. We never saw what happened afterwards though. He probably had a back up plan.

Originally posted by slade10
Thanos fighting parallax 1on1. This goes on for a few pages, with no clear winner. Parallax creates stuff, and thanos blows it to smithereens. Parallax has been boosted by the surfer's power cosmic, and thanos has sampled a green lantern ring. (but then subsequently gave it back to kyle for some reason, lol) The clear interpretation of the story arc, i think, is that thanos and parallax are supposed to be roughly equals.

Later, kyle draining both thanos AND parallax of their powers, lol. There's no strange plot device here. He just decides drain them, then does so. There's no further fighting after this, as thanos is pulled back into the marvel universe.

Earlier on, Kyle failing to even harm terrax (notice terrax flipping away a GL blast with his axe like a fly), then about to be beheaded when thanos comes in and saves him by 1 shotting terrax.

Hardly equals. Maybe once imbued with the power of OA. There was nothing dishonest with my post...why? I showed the final result of the fight. When Kyle realized WHAT he can do. Thanos was easily taken out. Both were drained Parallax escaped under his own power, Thanos was dragged along by SS.

Nice try. 😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hardly equals. Maybe once imbued with the power of OA. There was nothing dishonest with my post...why? I showed the final result of the fight. When Kyle realized WHAT he can do. Thanos was easily taken out. Both were drained Parallax escaped under his own power, Thanos was dragged along by SS.

Nice try. 😄

Imbued with the power of oa? He sampled a green lantern ring for like 5 seconds. Parallax, in contrast, received the full power cosmic from silver surfer. And they were fighting as equals.

You purposefully edited out parallax in the pic you posted of thanos being drained. I call that dishonest. Plain and simple. which I have come to expect in arguments with you.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed with all.
Minus the dying point. He admited he could die. We never saw what happened afterwards though. He probably had a back up plan.

Yes, we did see what happened afterwards. He's walking around fine.

You guys are the coolest.

Originally posted by olympian

Good post Leo.

I dont see whats the problem with this view actually. Thanos can even beat Thor with the belt i can well see that. Heck. We already know hes depicted as more powerful usually. But 100 x times physically stronger based exactly on -what-?

Yes Thanos wins but if he was 100 times stronger, every top tier guy/gal he ever faced would be dead within one-two punches. How many wer? None.

Have you read any of my posts.....? sheesh...

Nice scan slade. Ive always wanted to see the whole fight. HOWEVER where does it say that Thanos cut off ALL the power of the Infinity Gauntlet? Im no genius, but it stated "diminished" and "dampened". That doesnt mean he totaly cut off the IG's power. It means he lowered it, but is still using some of its power.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Nice scan slade. Ive always wanted to see the whole fight. HOWEVER where does it say that Thanos cut off ALL the power of the Infinity Gauntlet? Im no genius, but it stated "diminished" and "dampened". That doesnt mean he totaly cut off the IG's power. It means he lowered it, but is still using some of its power.

Very observant of you, jrod.

But then again, what is 'part' of infinity?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Nice scan slade. Ive always wanted to see the whole fight. HOWEVER where does it say that Thanos cut off ALL the power of the Infinity Gauntlet? Im no genius, but it stated "diminished" and "dampened". That doesnt mean he totaly cut off the IG's power. It means he lowered it, but is still using some of its power.

No, it is stated earlier that he cut it all off, SAVE the power gem. That is largely irrelevant, however, given that this is not a strength feat. And he has shown more than enough strength to do the things that he does here (tossing thor into space, ko'ing firelord with a backhand, etc).

But if you want to discount the strenght feats, that's fine. They were completely unnecessary to the victory.

Originally posted by slade10
Imbued with the power of oa? He sampled a green lantern ring for like 5 seconds. Parallax, in contrast, received the full power cosmic from silver surfer. And they were fighting as equals.

Well actually Parallax took "most" not the "full power cosmic" of Surfers, which only took about 2 seconds. Thanos was draining Kyle for much longer than 3 seconds.

Originally posted by slade10
Avalon, thank you for proving my point.

1. First you argue that wm thor getting knocked around REPEATEDLY by thanos 1on1 is not a significant feat, because thor is only a few hundred pounds. Then you turn around and take the opposite position when it comes to thanos getting hit ONCE by spider-man (while he’s fighting, what 20 some other heros). Shouldn’t you, rather, be saying that thanos is only a few hundred pounds, so it makes perfect sense for spider-man (a 20 ton hero) to jostle him? After all, spider-man can certainly kick something a few hundred pounds, can he not?

Make up your mind, please. Or don’t -- and further establish my point about your ridiculous inconsistency.

Nope. Apparently, YOU don't get it. You made the point without realizing it. Both Thanos and Thor wielded the Gem and got knocked pretty well. Was Thanos really hurt by it? NOPE, just like THOR wasn't. Did it look like Thanos enjoyed the hit since we now apparently put artistic facial expressions into battles?

This is Logic even a 5 year old can get. Try harder next time.

Thanks for helping prove my point.

Originally posted by slade10
2. You really want to cite that infinity gauntlet fight as a low strength showing? You know, the one where he TURNS OFF THE INFINITY GAUNTLET, then proceeds to absolutely crush thor, namor, firelord, spider-man, nova, drax, iron man, she-hulk, hulk, vision, cloak, quasar, doom, and many others I can’t even remember? And is COMPLETELY unharmed at the end of it? And where heroes were said to have a <1% chance of victory at the start of the fight?

He doesnt TURN off the infinity Gauntlet. Who the hell told you that? LOL
He beats the the heros of course, BUT a lot of them do get licks in.

Lets assume he did TURN OFF the INFINITY GEMS. Then its normal THANOS again. Not too good of a showing if he's 100x times stronger than everyone.

Another crappy "point"

Originally posted by slade10
3. The thor pic looks impressive, except that was not normal thor. It was thor boosted by the belt of strength AND the odinforce. And just as laughably, it was not even thanos – it was retconned to be a weak clone. Notably, thor could not even HARM thanos (or actually, the thanos clone) prior to being boosted by the odinforce.

clone P Pronunciation Key (kln)
n.
A cell, group of cells, or organism that are descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.

They were both enhance, if it was 100x difference from the beginning, it should have stayed completely lopsided, and Thanos should have won.

Originally posted by slade10
4. The Tyrant fight? You have got to be kidding me. This guy is a galaxy-destroying threat who almost killed GALACTUS in a later comic (until morg saved him with the ultimate nullifer). Going toe to toe to him is supposed to prove that I’m wrong? That is insane.

Did you not read the scan? All it shows is that Thanos is smart enough to get the hell out of dodge before Tyrant kills him. Thanos AGREED tyrant could do it. You also claimed Thanos couldnt be physically hurt.

Originally posted by slade10
5. Finally, the green lantern CROSSOVER… hrm, you mean the one where thanos saved kyle’s ass a moment before terrax was going to behead him? The one where kyle was unable to even touch terrax, but thanos ko’d him in one shot? And the one where thanos was later placed up against PARALLAX in a 1on1 fight?

You post that pic and conveniently edit out the bottom of the picture – you know the part that shows Kyle DRAINING PARALLAX as well. Are you trying to prove your own dishonesty? If so, great work!

Maybe you should realize since this is a VS THANOS debate, I showed THANOS? Parallax isn't part of this forum, so I left him out of it. Nice try at taking a shot at me. Too bad it failed miserably.

You want honesty? Kyle was doing crappy, UNTIL he realized his power..then it was over in minutes.

Originally posted by slade10
In addition to being a crossover (and thus non-canon), even I am willing to say this is a clear case of PIS. If a single GL could drain parallax with a thought, why wouldn’t they have done it BEFORE the corps was destroyed?

PIS, Just like Thanos having 100x strength over THOR! 😄

Thanks for playing. It's been real, It's been fun...but it hasn't been Real Fun.
😄

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well actually Parallax took "most" not the "full power cosmic" of Surfers, which only took about 2 seconds. Thanos was draining Kyle for much longer than 3 seconds.

The difference is surfer's powers go wherever surfer wants them to go. He's granted his powers to tohers, and even made a duplicate of himself (with the same powers).

Kyle's power stays with the ring, for the most part. Which thanos did not even bother keeping.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Very observant of you, jrod.

But then again, what is 'part' of infinity?

Thanks.

Infinity does have a beginning does it not? Hulks power or strength rather, is infinite. Yet he doesnt start off being stronger than everyone. His strength can "increase" infinately. He still has a start off point.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thanos is really, really resistant to physical injury. Even if Thor was equal to him in strength, he isn't doing much to an Eternal of Thanos's caliber.

I agree CC. However 100x stronger than Thor?
Laughable.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I agree CC. However 100x stronger than Thor?
Laughable.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thanks.

Infinity does have a beginning does it not? Hulks power or strength rather, is infinite. Yet he doesnt start off being stronger than everyone. His strength can "increase" infinately. He still has a start off point.

True, but the Hulk's strength would never equal infinity. It would increase to a finite value, and continue to increase as his rage continues, never plateauing, but never reaching infinity. The Infinity Gauntlet power supposedly equals infinity. Hence a fraction thereof is undefinable.

Originally posted by slade10
No, it is stated earlier that he cut it all off, SAVE the power gem. That is largely irrelevant, however, given that this is not a strength feat. And he has shown more than enough strength to do the things that he does here (tossing thor into space, ko'ing firelord with a backhand, etc).

But if you want to discount the strenght feats, that's fine. They were completely unnecessary to the victory.

If it stated earlier that he cut it all off, then maybe you should show that. What exactly does the power gem do? Does it only give the potential for infinite strength only? Or does it also enhance other attributes such as durability or powers.

Ok, this is becoming pure idiocy. It is understood virtually everywhere, including in commentary by the marvel writers, that this is thanos with only the power gem.

But debating with you on points that would be OBVIOUS to anyone who knows anything about these characters is just stupid. You make things up to support your position, and you edit pictures of necessary information, then come up with ad hoc excuses as to why you did so.

As I said in previous threads, and as I repeated here, arguing with you is close to pointless. You're worse than a politician.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
True, but the Hulk's strength would never equal infinity. It owuld simply increase to a finite value, and continue as his rage increased. The Infinity Gauntlet power supposedly equals infinity. Hence a fraction thereof is undefinable.

I hear you but people are making it seem as if as soon as you get the power gem, your strength is automatically enhanced to infinate. Meaning youre stronger than ALL. Dont you have to learn the properties of the gems and how to use them to their full capacity? Like stated before, users with certain gems have been bested by others in the field of that said power.

Originally posted by slade10
Imbued with the power of oa? He sampled a green lantern ring for like 5 seconds. Parallax, in contrast, received the full power cosmic from silver surfer. And they were fighting as equals.

You purposefully edited out parallax in the pic you posted of thanos being drained. I call that dishonest. Plain and simple. which I have come to expect in arguments with you.

Umm...he needed Kyles ring to channel all of OA's power which was done through Thanos machine.

Parallax and Thanos were then both using cosmic and OA power simultaenously.
Once again. Parallax had nothing to do with a THANOS forum, dishonest would be saying that Kyle didnt drain them both.

You can call me dishonest all you want. YOU are the one making ridiculous claims abou 100x strength. Not me. You like in a dream world. 😆