Originally posted by Numan
The blade of a saber is extremely powerful, it is harmful to touch and can break through almost any material. There is no way a sith sword could compete. I think you should actually try to prove me wrong and then I will prove you wrong. I've done enough typing. You haven't done anything and haven't contributed anything. There is no way I will not prove you wrong. Try me.
Wow, is this your viewpoint in a nutshell.
Random hyperbole about lightsaber. Assertion that the competition cannot ever ever compete. (Which is a contradiction, but okay). Demand for proof from a newly arriving party. Lament. Personal attack. Arrogant claim. End.
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Wow, is this your viewpoint in a nutshell.Random hyperbole about lightsaber. Assertion that the competition cannot ever ever compete. (Which is a contradiction, but okay). Demand for proof from a newly arriving party. Lament. Personal attack. Arrogant claim. End.
There is no hyperbole used. Do you actually know what it is?
Sweet Jesus. . .
Numan, your arguments consist of:
- A lightsaber can cut through more things. . .
- A lightsaber is lighter
- Your English sux
- I said this and you didn't reply I win you lose
- The goodest debator in KMC uses piktoores?!
- Ur a copycat
- I skewl u!
- I'm 10 years old so I get a +10d23 enhancement to my debate-rolls!!
- I need to sleep!!
- Teh lightsaber is lighter!
- A d00d twice as big as Schwarzenegger, several times as strong, and possessive of a "terrifying grasp of the Force" can't manage to lift a warsword!!
In a nutshell? You have zip, while Fishy, Illustrious, IKC, and Janus just pwn3d the hell out of you.
And, yeah, why don't you answer IKC's post? No idiotic remarks come to mind yet?
Originally posted by IKC
Please, remove your asshat before posting again. You clearly don't know what the hell I mean by power.By power, I mean the force with which the man can swing his blade. His power is increased because of the simple fact that he is swinging a heavier object. I never claimed a freaking lightsaber would break, such would be ridiculous. However, it will be driven into the wielder's body if they try to block such an attack.
This is not true. With a lightsaber you are swinging a light object, which increases the speed at which you can swing it which increases its power. It may be light but the beam is more powerful than the sword. The saber would produce more power than the sword.
No its not..
a lightsaber doesn't have mass the reason why its so powerful is because its a laser that can cut through most materials. However some meterials it can not cut through like Sith Swords, Mandelorian Swords and the like.
Meaning that the power of the blade vanishes into nothing, if it can't cut through the blade is worthless. Like you said it doesn't weigh anything so the impact of a hit won't be a lot, nothing more then personal strength of the user.
Now a Sith sword on the other hand weighs a lot and although it may not be able to cut through as much as a lightsaber, when facing a lightsaber it has the advantage because it has weight to add in the fight, while all the lightsaber has is an ability to block attacks and hopefully hit the other person. A block with a lightsaber will require your own strength and power not that of the blade.
Also if you really are 10, then you should realise two things.
1.) You aren't even supposed to be a member of these boards.
2.) You lack the ability to see reason, are still stubborn haven't even hit puberty and are no where near old enough for these kinds of things, you just lack the brain power and thats not even meant as an insult its just a medical fact. So if you are 10, I would advice you to do two things.
Go out get a life get some friends stop posting on an internet board. Develop before debating against people a lot older then you with more experience in life, science and a better ability to reason.
This is unsuported speculation. The reason it can cut through these objects in the first place is because it is so powerful. The force gives it power beyond measure. Its power doesn't simply deminish when up against something that it can't cut through. And don't take my age as a weakness. I can think way more logically than you can. You have proven that you cannot on many occasions.
That use of Science simple doesn't work in this case because the lightsaber completely goes against science. There is no material on Earth that is similar to the beam of the lightsaber. You need to think deeper into the subject Illustrious. Why is the torque greater when the mass is further away from the pivot? It is all to do with power. The lightsaber may be lacking weight and the centre of mass might be in the hilt, but the power of the lightsaber is all stored up in the blade. The lightsaber is basically the perfect weapon. The centre of mass is close to the pivot, enabling faster swings and yet the power is focused in the blade. The reason that the reasoning you used works for the sith sword is because the power in the sword comes from the blade and so it is logical that if the centre of mass is further away from the pivot, the greater the torque is but in a lightsaber, the power comes from the energy beam which weighs nothing so though the centre of mass is
WTF? You first argue that because it's lighter (read: less in mass) it's "more powerful." Then when I scientifically prove you wrong. You go "zOMG you can't use physics!!!"
LMFAO. You have no idea what physics even are. If you want to go with the definition of Power, it's simply Work/time. How does the material of the blade have anything to do with that?
I guess that means your "the power is stored up in the blade" comment is worthless. You have no idea about counterbalance do you? You have no idea what force even is defined as, do you?
I know that they are enchanted, I was saying earlier that the enchantments were nothing special and didn't make the swords better than sabers.
How the hell are they "nothing special"? You see the sword easily block a lightsaber. Then you see them easily shank a Hutt.
These are swords that are NOWHERE NEAR the power of a weapon wielded by Sadow, Kressh, Ragnos, Pall, etc. Those are random Sith footmen with those swords. The power of the Dark Lord's swords are charged with sith magic and literally trail energy through the air.
They were actually the same size. Someone else scanned a picture of Sadow with his sword earlier. They are clearly around the same size.
Is that why Sadow is so much bigger and taller than Random Mook? Bigger person with same proportionate sword = bigger sword. Perception is your friend.
Don't confuse how great the Sith are with how great the sith swords are. If they are overwhelming the jedi, it is because the particular sith are better than the jedi shown.
No, that proves that a sith sword can BLOCK a lightsaber with relative ease. Ergo, a lightsaber has minimal to no advantage in cutting power than a sith sword.
I wasn't complimenting you or taking the piss out of you. My point isn't really moot. I'm sure if the material of the table was completely replaced by a lightsaber beam constructed in the same shape and the same size, the sword would shatter. It doesn't disprove my point at all. that picture just shows that lightsabers are stronger than sith swords. It is unlikely that the table was made out of a material that a lightsaber couldn't cut through.
Is that why a sith sword BLOCKED a lightsaber with no problems?
You still haven't proven that sith swords were better for sith than lightsabers. I clearly understand your point but you have not supported it with reasons that I have not basically disproved.
Sure we have. We've shown sith swords cut just as well as lightsabers and yet are enchanted with magic and alchemy, which has produced some of the most fearsome powers in the SWU.
Also, I have the comics, and I looked at the scan, I don't even see a "table."
So basically for the power that it can produce. It is power that is vital. In this case the weight produces the power. Now think about the beam of the lightsaber. It is completely weightless but yet provides the vital thing needed. Power. You are going nowhere with this argument about what weighs more.
You don't seem to get it. You can still move a weightless object. If I turn a flashlight, the beam moves with it. It doesn't mean that if I made the beam solid that it would generate more power.
Read up on rotational mechanics please. Then come back.
You keep on assuming that weight is the only source of power. Think back to why the heavy blade would xxxx me up. It is to do with how powerful it is. The lightsaber is clearly more powerful so your point on it being weightless is moot. You just can't handle being wrong.
Did you not look at the scan?
In Ludo and Sadow's fight, Ludo's sword goes right into a wall, easily. A sith sword went right into a Hutt's skin, which is blaster resistant. So where is the advantage in cutting power from a lightsaber? Do you need to do more than gore them? No.
A sith sword easily blocked a two handed overhand attack with a lightsaber. It did not break. Do you need to do more than block each other's attacks in a fight? No.
It's not about who can melt blast doors or who can swing in place for the longest. It's about a fight and there's no evidence to suggest a sith sword is weaker on that front. Period.
And how do you know that the sith sword Ludo broke was powered? There was no lightning swirling around it, no dark side aura. He just shattered the blade that can stand up to a lightsaber.
closer to the pivot, the source of the power is in the blade, ergo the source of power is furthur from the pivot, and so the torque is furthur increased. Sorry about the multiple posts BTW. I think these 5 posts cover the issue.
You don't even know the meaning of "power."
Torque comes from FORCE. E.G. Newtons. In this case, MASS.
A lightsaber has no mass, it has only as much torque as you can generate from the hilt. Compared to a sword with a counterbalance, that's not very much.
Like I said, learn basic Newtonian Mechanics.
Mass matters in this case to provide power. The heavier it is, the more powerful. But the beam of the lightsaber is an example of power without the need mass. Therefor the point that the lightsaber would crumble under a sith sword because of the weight is moot. This completely disproves the whole weight issue.
Power = W/t. That's it.
Your definition of Power doesn't even correlate. QED.
Do you know what power is? Power is not determined by how much a weapon can cut. A lightsaber blade has NO MASS. IT CAN NOT GENERATE ANY MORE POWER THAN THE MOTION OF THE HILT.
Basic fizics! You need to buy some hokd on fonix.
You obviously have not read what I prieviously posted because that was not wha I used to disprove it. It was in reply to msomething you have said and although valid, not one of my solid solid points that completely disprove this.
Think about this. You have a small, sharp sword. I have a big, blunt sword. If I can swing my big sword as fast as you can the small sword, who has the advantage? Me.
What happens when you try to block my attack? You will have trouble because the bigger sword has more torque and more power.
A lightsaber is even lighter than the small, sharp sword, it will have even less torque. You just don't get it.
I'm pathetic. All you do is ignore my posts that prove you wrong. You selectively post to your advantage. You use the respect you have gathered on KMC to turn your assumptions and beliefs into fact. You are a Ragnos fanboy and can't take being proven wrong. You then repeatedly say that I haven't provided evidence and haven't clearly explained myself when I obviously have.
What did you say? That lightsabers are superior to sith swords because:
a.) They have more "power."
Guess what? I already established you don't even know what power means. They don't have more power. THey don't generate more force. They don't generate more torque. If you want to do this, prove it with PHYSICS.
b.) They are lighter.
Your point is moot. The sith swords are swung around with ease by all the sith lords and even sith FOOTMEN.
c.) They break against other super hard objects.
Again, moot. They aren't breaking against lightsabers.
They are linked.
So the force only works for lightsabers but not sith swords?
How do they not provide proof? Who was the one who posted all the scans? Not you. You're done. Go back to playing video games and sleeping at 9 PM.
You don't even understand physics. What kind of definition of "power" are you using? As in Power Rangers?
Get a grip. This is too funny.