Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Wow Ush, I'm surprised at you to be honest. I used to have a great deal of respect for you. This kinda of "authoritative" power you are attempting to impose isnt helping to say the least, "Appeal to authority" is itself a logical fallacy. I'm not inclined to believe you simply because your the MOD of these boards, I dont accept what you say just because you say them. I have had good arguments with you in the past, and I respected your logic, it was always very good. However in this case, you are simply wrong.If a man can lift a 50-100 pound sword with no difficulty and swing it at speeds equal to that of a person that can swing a weightless sword around. (as GL himself has said a lightsaber is weightless). Then the heavily weighted sword will have far more force behind it. Its pretty simple to understand. The speed issue here is irrelevant since the Sith can swing their swords at speeds equal to the speed that the Jedi can swing a lightsaber. Basically what we are saying is that to the sith, the swords SEEM essentially as weightless as a lightsaber is to a Jedi, since the Sith are so strong. If a regular person (of normal human strength) was to be using the sword then that person would get mashed buy a person with a lightsaber. But this is not the case due to the Sith strength.
So in as simple terms as I can put it. If two people are using weapons, one is heavy and one has no weight at all, both cannot penetrate the other, and both can be swung by their respective users at equal speeds, then the sheer weight and force behind the person swinging a 100 lb sword at speeds as fast as the other person would essentially chop down the person using a unweighted weapon because they would be unable to counter the force of the weighted weapon.
You made a big speech about how I don't argue properly and here you are doing it. You have not once proven that the sith race are generally stronger than humans. You have also failed to grasp the fact that the sith would be able to swing a lightsaber much faster then they could swing a sith sword, no matter how fast they can swing a sith sword (which by the way you have not proven either. Also, I'd like to add that the weight of the sword can be used against the one wielding it.
Originally posted by Numan
You made a big speech about how I don't argue properly and here you are doing it. You have not once proven that the sith race are generally stronger than humans. You have also failed to grasp the fact that the sith would be able to swing a lightsaber much faster then they could swing a sith sword, no matter how fast they can swing a sith sword (which by the way you have not proven either. Also, I'd like to add that the weight of the sword can be used against the one wielding it.
Have you read the thread? Have you seen the scans of those Sith? have you read the quotes I provided? The Sith are a physically strong race. This has been proven threw quotes and other things a dozen times already.
Now how would they start using the weight against the wielder of the weapon? If he can handle the sword like a Jedi can handle a lightsaber? Just as fast and precise? Explain.
Also the Sith might be able to wield a lightsaber even faster, but thats doubtable seeing as a Sith Sword doesn't weigh much. Can you handle a two feet long feather faster then a two feet long stick that doesn't even weigh a tenth of a kilo? And even if they could handle it faster it wouldn't make a difference, the Sith sword would still give them an advantage in the fight.
Originally posted by Numan
You made a big speech about how I don't argue properly and here you are doing it.
You don't argue properly.
You have not once proven that the sith race are generally stronger than humans.
We have.
You have also failed to grasp the fact that the sith would be able to swing a lightsaber much faster then they could swing a sith sword, no matter how fast they can swing a sith sword (which by the way you have not proven either.
We've proven that Sith are very strong and can swing a sith sword as fast as a lightsaber. Therefore, your point is moot.
Also, I'd like to add that the weight of the sword can be used against the one wielding it.
How? Wishful thinking?
I thought you knew a lot about swordfighting Aristokrat? Or is it Wesker now? If you did then I would not have to explain to you how the weight of the sword can be used against it. You have not proven that the sith are strong at all. And even if you do come across some feat that Ragnos or Kressh or Sadow did, you will have still not proven anything. Those are likely to be the physically strongest of the sith race that we know of. But look at the sith slaves. They're nothing special.
Well Numan enlighten us with your wisdom. How can the weight of the sword be used against the Sith.
and even if an average Sith isn't more powerful then a normal human being (which goes against quotes given earlier in the thread) then it still wouldn't make a difference for a debate, because we can use Ragnos an example here. His physical power was enormous. He would handle a Sith blade like it would be weightless.
Originally posted by Numan
I thought you knew a lot about swordfighting Aristokrat? Or is it Wesker now? If you did then I would not have to explain to you how the weight of the sword can be used against it. You have not proven that the sith are strong at all. And even if you do come across some feat that Ragnos or Kressh or Sadow did, you will have still not proven anything. Those are likely to be the physically strongest of the sith race that we know of. But look at the sith slaves. They're nothing special.
When you get some logic and evidence behind your opinions, come back and present them like a mature adult. Until then, don't waste my time.
Some of you are really stupid nerds with no common sense but if you're going to judge a duel, you have to have enough information about both parties to come to a conclusion. Tulak Hord was supposedly the greatest lightsaber duelist ever.. However, this is pure speculation, nor is anything known about his force powers... So this is a stupid thread.
Originally posted by tdtdGreat... Not another one.
Some of you are really stupid nerds with no common sense but if you're going to judge a duel, you have to have enough information about both parties to come to a conclusion. Tulak Hord was supposedly the greatest lightsaber duelist ever.. However, this is pure speculation, nor is anything known about his force powers... So this is a stupid thread.
Originally posted by Numan
You made a big speech about how I don't argue properly and here you are doing it. You have not once proven that the sith race are generally stronger than humans.
I didn't have to, its been proven numerous times in this thread. Go back, read it, you might find it enlightinng.
Originally posted by Numan
You have also failed to grasp the fact that the sith would be able to swing a lightsaber much faster then they could swing a sith sword, no matter how fast they can swing a sith sword (which by the way you have not proven either.
Errrr...Yes, they could swing a ligtsaber faster then they could the sword. But what does that matter? They have a greater advantage with a weighted weapon, why would they use a lightsaber and give Jedi more ability to kill them by using a saber when the sword almost insures victory? And again. The fact that they can swing it as fast has ALSO been proven early in this thread. So I didn't have to prove anything, its already been done. Read it.
Originally posted by Numan
Also, I'd like to add that the weight of the sword can be used against the one wielding it.
Not if the weight of the sword is irrelevant, like in this case. Which has also been proven again and again.
You are failing to realise that these things have already been done. I will not keep repeating them to you simply because you are not either a) listening, or b) just don't understand. Either or, Go re-read this thread you will find that all of these things have been proven with inductive evidence.