Originally posted by Numan
Actually he smashed the sword against a table and it crumbled. That in fact shows that the sword was not powerful enough to cut into the table. Thanks for that Janus.
You're about to get pwned, smartass.
First off, Sith Swords are enchanted, as shown here:
And that's Random Mook's sword, too. That's not the DLOS type blade. Ragnos, Ludo, and Naga Sadow's blades were twice as thick as that and half again times as long.
Second, here's Random Massassi Mook X shanking the hell out of a Hutt with ease. In case you aren't familiar with how hard and thick Hutt skin is, in the Han Solo trilogy we learn that people can't effectively use most blasters on them.
Third, Sith blades and lightsabers are shown clashing here. Note the relative ease with which the Sith warrior blocks the Jedi's overhand hammer blow.
And lastly, the coup de grace, here's Ludo breaking the Sith sword on the table as you suggested. So apparently that table is stronger than a lightsaber and is possible made of cortosis or special ore. Your point? Are you going to argue that Sith swords are weaker than lightsabers even though they are clearly shown to contend with lightsabers? By your logic, that table is the mightiest weapon in the land.
"First off, Sith Swords are enchanted, as shown here:"
I know that they are enchanted, I was saying earlier that the enchantments were nothing special and didn't make the swords better than sabers.
"And that's Random Mook's sword, too. That's not the DLOS type blade. Ragnos, Ludo, and Naga Sadow's blades were twice as thick as that and half again times as long."
They were actually the same size. Someone else scanned a picture of Sadow with his sword earlier. They are clearly around the same size.
Originally posted by Numan
First of all I wasn't trying to be a smartass and I wasn't in any way taking the piss out of you. Don't take what I said in the wrong way. But common now. You didn't just pwn me and I'm sure you could on many occasions but I was't actually trying to mock you so don't call me a smartass.
Well everybody in this thread pwned you... Because you have no foot to stand on.
Even if you would ignore science then it would be a very simple thing to say that.
Sith knew about lightsabers
A lot of them had the chance to use lightsabers
They prefered Swords
If lightsabers were trully that much better they would have used lightsabers.
Ergo, lightsabers aren't better.
They can be depending on who uses them, just like Sith swords can be better depending on who uses them. Ignore everything else and just think logiclaly about the Sith and you should realise that, what I just said is true. When you realise that read the rest of the thread again and just admit defeat.
"Third, Sith blades and lightsabers are shown clashing here. Note the relative ease with which the Sith warrior blocks the Jedi's overhand hammer blow."
Don't confuse how great the Sith are with how great the sith swords are. If they are overwhelming the jedi, it is because the particular sith are better than the jedi shown.
Originally posted by Numan
First of all I wasn't trying to be a smartass and I wasn't in any way taking the piss out of you. Don't take what I said in the wrong way. But common now. You didn't just pwn me and I'm sure you could on many occasions but I was't actually trying to mock you so don't call me a smartass.
We have different opinions Fishy. But don't make the debate personal. I have now answered to everything said to me, so if you say that I haven't than you are just wrong.
"Sith knew about lightsabers
A lot of them had the chance to use lightsabers
They prefered Swords
If lightsabers were trully that much better they would have used lightsabers.
Ergo, lightsabers aren't better."
That is a terrible argument. There could be many reasons why they used swords over lightsabers.
Originally posted by Numan
"Third, Sith blades and lightsabers are shown clashing here. Note the relative ease with which the Sith warrior blocks the Jedi's overhand hammer blow."Don't confuse how great the Sith are with how great the sith swords are. If they are overwhelming the jedi, it is because the particular sith are better than the jedi shown.
Prove? For all we know the Jedi won the battle.. We see a sith sword blocking a Jedi Lightsaber. Thats what we see, thats what we know.
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Well, the "thanks for that one Janus" did not strike me as a compliment, so naturally I was not thrilled with you. But whatever. Neither here nor there. And no, the swords are not the same size. I have to get some work done, but in about 35 mins I can scan you a pic. They're vastly different. And the main point is that Sith warriors used Sith blades all of their long lives, and the blades ARE shown to be able to withstand direct hits from lightsabers. So the point about the table is moot. If anything, you should be impressed with Ludo's physical strength to shatter a blade that can withstand a direct hit from a lightsaber.
I wasn't complimenting you or taking the piss out of you. My point isn't really moot. I'm sure if the material of the table was completely replaced by a lightsaber beam constructed in the same shape and the same size, the sword would shatter. It doesn't disprove my point at all. that picture just shows that lightsabers are stronger than sith swords. It is unlikely that the table was made out of a material that a lightsaber couldn't cut through.
Originally posted by Numan
We have different opinions Fishy. But don't make the debate personal. I have now answered to everything said to me, so if you say that I haven't than you are just wrong."Sith knew about lightsabers
A lot of them had the chance to use lightsabers
They prefered Swords
If lightsabers were trully that much better they would have used lightsabers.
Ergo, lightsabers aren't better."That is a terrible argument. There could be many reasons why they used swords over lightsabers.
Many?
Name five... thats not a lot
Originally posted by Fishy
Prove? For all we know the Jedi won the battle.. We see a sith sword blocking a Jedi Lightsaber. Thats what we see, thats what we know.
Yes that is all we know but that doesn't mean that the only interpretation that we can come up with is that the swords are stronger than lightsabers. If you want to prove that, then you have to prove that it wasn't just due to the fact that the sith was actually more powerfulthan the jedi.
Originally posted by Numan
Yes that is all we know but that doesn't mean that the only interpretation that we can come up with is that the swords are stronger than lightsabers. If you want to prove that, then you have to prove that it wasn't just due to the fact that the sith was actually more powerfulthan the jedi.
I'm not saying more powerful i'm saying more powerful in the hands of a Sith compared to a lightsaber. Lightsabers are more powerful in the hands of most man and things like Yoda.
Originally posted by Fishy
Many?Name five... thats not a lot
It is debatable whether they knew how to construct lightsabers, it is likely that the sith philosophy taught them about sith alchemy and so it was the natural choice. It is true that the sith could have perceived them being stronger than lightsabers but than again the sith aren't the smartest race in the galaxy. That reason is good enough.
Originally posted by Fishy
I'm not saying more powerful i'm saying more powerful in the hands of a Sith compared to a lightsaber. Lightsabers are more powerful in the hands of most man and things like Yoda.
You still haven't proven that sith swords were better for sith than lightsabers. I clearly understand your point but you have not supported it with reasons that I have not basically disproved.
Originally posted by Numan
You still haven't proven that sith swords were better for sith than lightsabers. I clearly understand your point but you have not supported it with reasons that I have not basically disproved.
Like you disproved my arguments on the third and fourth page? BTW: You still have an entire page of posts to expand on...
And like already said a thousand times when a powerful Sith puts his weight into an attack with a heavy weapon its going to hurt more then a weightless weapon and swining the thing around isn't going to be to much trouble for them...
Now again, many reasons name 5.
Originally posted by Numan
It is debatable whether they knew how to construct lightsabers, it is likely that the sith philosophy taught them about sith alchemy and so it was the natural choice. It is true that the sith could have perceived them being stronger than lightsabers but than again the sith aren't the smartest race in the galaxy. That reason is good enough.
Oh Ragnos is an idiot now? Sadow? Kressh? Have you seen what those guys created, build supported ruled? Doubtable that they even knew about lightsabers... You know the guy who'se name is in the title of this topic... Tulak Hord.. He knew how to use a lightsaber. You know why this entire debate started? Because he lived in a time when there were lightsaber wielders and Sith Sword users...
Its not doubtable the Sith knew about lightsabers, its a proven and established fact and they still prefered swords.