Originally posted by Numan
That is completely wrong and I suggest you take Physics class again because you need it. A sword with the magority of the weight in its blade would be harder to swing than one with the weight in its hilt. It's common sense.
No shit. I already said that if you took the same guy and put him in a marathon of just swinging a weapon, the lightsaber would win. In combat, it's not true.
But unless your arguing that Ragnos would have difficulty swinging a sword, your point is moot.
And guess what? You didn't address any of my points, you just went back to going "no I'm right, you're wrong."
What a hypocrite.
It's not wrong. Rotational mechanics. The torque is greater with the mass centered further from the axis of rotation. More torque = more force, more force means it takes more force to STOP. Got it? It's not up to me to break it down into laymen's terms so you can understand.
You know about as much physics as my dog. Don't bother arguing with that point.
Originally posted by Illustrious
No shit. I already said that if you took the same guy and put him in a marathon of just swinging a weapon, the lightsaber would win. In combat, it's not true. And guess what? You didn't address any of my points, you just went back to going "no I'm right, you're wrong."What a hypocrite.
But unless your arguing that Ragnos would have difficulty swinging a sword, your point is moot.
It's not wrong. Rotational mechanics. The torque is greater with the mass centered further from the axis of rotation. More torque = more force, more force means it takes more force to STOP. Got it? It's not up to me to break it down into laymen's terms so you can understand.
You know about as much physics as my dog. Don't bother arguing with that point.
Your dog is pretty smart for a dog then... To bad we still haven't found an animal that could think logically...
Originally posted by Fishy
Yay 🙂 More chances of constantly repeating myself tomorrow, I can't wait 😛
No need to turn nasty. I have already said that there are no hard feelings and that you are a worth opponent in terms of debating. We'll just continue this tomorrow but in the meantime maybe you could reread everything I have said and you will find the answers there.
k well i've only actually read up half of page 4 but if the converstaion kept goin on how it was then i didn't really need to. but numan let me try and explain to you what they've been sayin
think of a lightsaber k and how powerful it is
k now imagin a sword that threw DIVINE INFLUENCE we'll say made the sword more powerful than the lightsaber you follow? basically saying you have a lightsaber and a sword but God makes the sword exactly as powerful and everything as the lightsaber even weight. the sith COULD do that ok but ontop of that were able to enhance the blade to become even more powerful. does that make sense?
and then with the entire wieght does not equal power thing he isnt saying that because it ways more it is more powerful. so lets try a scenairo
k lets say you are impervious to pain so you can't phycically get hurt.
now you and i are hangin out and i have a styrofoam club with me and a metal club with me. Now lets state that the styrofoam club and the metal club are exactly the same other than the material they're made out of.i hit you as hard as i can with the styrofoam club and you didn't feel anypain and nothing really happened. now i hit you with the metal club you didn't feel anypain but it would make you stumble. why would you stumble you're probably thinking. the mass of the metal club is enough to physically move you from where you are standing. and the mass of the styrofoam club isn't great enough to move you. does that make sense?
Lightsabers were extremely powerful. They could cut through hard metal doors, it is extremely dangerous to touch the blade of a lightsaber and hardly any weapons can stand up against them. The sith sword was also made extremely powerful through sith magic and alchemy and I am not saying that it can't stand up to a lightsaber, it definitely can. But is it as powerful? It has given no evidence at all of it being more powerful. There are no examples of a sith sword having power quite like the power of the lightsaber shown earlier in my post. And I know this is quite off the topic of what is more powerful but there is no evidence to show sith swords can even block blaster fire (in issue #3 of the Golden Age of The Sith, Sadow and his crew of Massassi were able to kill many sith with blasters found on Starbreaker 12). If anything the dark side augmentations of electricity etc. show that the sword must be incredibly powerful but still not more powerful than a lightsaber. So overall in terms of power I would say that the lightsabers win.
In reply to Fishy saying that the sith as a species were physically stronger than the jedi, there is no proof of this. The exiled jedi were able to settle on Korriban and make the primitive sith slaves. Ajunta Pall, a human was able to wield arguably the most powerful sith sword there was (until the dark side power of the sword overwhelmed him). Looking at the comics they don't look much stronger than humans (in the TOTJ comic, when Sadow is going through the ritual of becoming dark lord of the sith, he screams in agony as he is bitten by those scorpion/bugs). So seeing as there is no proof for the sith species being physically stronger, there is no proof that the sith as a species would be useless with lightsabers.
The lightsaber was also less energy consuming. The hilt hardly weighed much and the blade nothing at all. Because of this the lightsaber would be extremely easy to carry (if needed to be drawn quickly it could) and easy to use. The sith sword would be extremely hard to use on the other hand. The weight of the sword does not give it as much power as
the lightsaber and would be extremely tiring to use, even for the sith who have not yet been proven to be physically stronger than humans. It would also be really awkward to carry. And in reply to illustrious, the fact that most of the weight is concentrated in the blade would make it even harder to swing with as the center of mass would be farther away from the pivot.
So to recap the lightsaber is stronger, less energy consuming and better than the sith sword in every way. I have provided enough proof for this and have evaluated everything that I have said. If I missed something just say so, because I probably did.
Originally posted by Illustrious
No shit. I already said that if you took the same guy and put him in a marathon of just swinging a weapon, the lightsaber would win. In combat, it's not true.But unless your arguing that Ragnos would have difficulty swinging a sword, your point is moot.
And guess what? You didn't address any of my points, you just went back to going "no I'm right, you're wrong."
What a hypocrite.
It's not wrong. Rotational mechanics. The torque is greater with the mass centered further from the axis of rotation. More torque = more force, more force means it takes more force to STOP. Got it? It's not up to me to break it down into laymen's terms so you can understand.
You know about as much physics as my dog. Don't bother arguing with that point.
That use of Science simple doesn't work in this case because the lightsaber completely goes against science. There is no material on Earth that is similar to the beam of the lightsaber. You need to think deeper into the subject Illustrious. Why is the torque greater when the mass is further away from the pivot? It is all to do with power. The lightsaber may be lacking weight and the centre of mass might be in the hilt, but the power of the lightsaber is all stored up in the blade. The lightsaber is basically the perfect weapon. The centre of mass is close to the pivot, enabling faster swings and yet the power is focused in the blade. The reason that the reasoning you used works for the sith sword is because the power in the sword comes from the blade and so it is logical that if the centre of mass is further away from the pivot, the greater the torque is but in a lightsaber, the power comes from the energy beam which weighs nothing so though the centre of mass is
Can you just not see that in the hands of a Sith Lord of tremendous physical strength a sith sword that does weigh something but not a lot when used by them would give them an edge? They are hitting a Jedi with something heavy the Jedi will have to put more power into blocking the attack. The Sith attacker however would not exhaust himself by attacking because 1.) He'll be used to it 2.) his physical strength allows him to do shit like that for hours.
Making the Sith sword more effective, again you haven't really answered any of our points you just made statements.