Philosophy is FALSE!

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
My last few arguments were just to piss you off. 🙄

Why? Because your an ass. Im not just whining, no one at all will take you seriously if you behave in this manner. Perhaps you should stick to SWVF, where you fit in nicely.

Oh shut up, Vengeance.

You couldn't last at the SWVF's because you were continuously getting smashed by other members in debates.

You don't stand a chance here or in the SWVF.

Don't think you're some greater debater just because you're a f*cking tryhard here at the GDF.

You suck here and you suck at the SWVF. Go take your pseudo intellect bullshit elsewhere. Maybe in some kiddy forum.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Oh shut up, Vengeance.

You couldn't last at the SWVF's because you were continuously getting smashed by other members in debates.

You don't stand a chance here or in the SWVF.

Don't think you're some greater debater just because you're a f*cking tryhard here at the GDF.

You suck here and you suck at the SWVF. Go take your pseudo intellect bullshit elsewhere. Maybe in some kiddy forum.

I rarely ever get into debates in that forum, and Ive only lost to Janus. Go away to the shadows of your basement, before Escape81(bless his soul) comes back from the dead and pwns your ass...again.

You're now being what some would call a troller then.

If you've admitted losing to Janus then why keep coming back to goad other replyers?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
You're now being what some would call a troller then.

If you've admitted losing to Janus then why keep coming back to goad other replyers?

I think he was talking about "losing" to him in a debate about Star Wars. Weird.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
I rarely ever get into debates in that forum, and Ive only lost to Janus. Go away to the shadows of your basement, before Escape81(bless his soul) comes back from the dead and pwns your ass...again.

Escape the fanboy? I've ruined him in Dooku VS Sidious threads and he's ruined me. We're on par there.

You? You've been pwned by more people than Janus.

Actually, I think just about everyone in the Antediluvian has wrecked your ass.

You're a shitty debater and YOU are the only one that thinks YOU'RE good.

Alright, take your egos for a walk.

Take any personal issues to PM, and don' t bring them to the boards.

Once again I did not read the last page. I believe in Philosophy as a thing, but maybe now not as a word. What you belive is your own choice, but sometimes like me on this, you just do belive. No, you can't force yourself to belive, perhaps it is not a choice? I find this amuzing because Wrathful dwarf has countered everyone of your aurguments so far with one statement. Love leads to irrational thinking. This can only be countered by Love is an urge to reproduce, reproducing is not irratonal, it is the most rational thing around. It keeps life, and life is all as far as I'm concerned, not just our lives, but the lives of others. (That is why I'm vego)

Originally posted by :FH: Fox
Once again I did not read the last page. I believe in Philosophy as a thing, but maybe now not as a word. What you belive is your own choice, but sometimes like me on this, you just do belive. No, you can't force yourself to belive, perhaps it is not a choice? I find this amuzing because Wrathful dwarf has countered everyone of your aurguments so far with one statement. Love leads to irrational thinking. This can only be countered by Love is an urge to reproduce, reproducing is not irratonal, it is the most rational thing around. It keeps life, and life is all as far as I'm concerned, not just our lives, but the lives of others. (That is why I'm vego)

Love does not lead to reproduction: biological urges do. Love is an emotion- it is a construct of the human mind. The most primitive part of the human mind (often called the reptilian brain, or the guardian of the Four F's) dictates urges including fighting, fleeing, fear and of course- ****ing. The latter needs love as much as a wheelchair-bound man needs a new pair of hiking shoes.

And I very much disagree with the assertion that reproduction is the most rational thing around. Abstinence is far more rational; reproduction leads to excess peoples in an already overblown society, a further drain on the national economy and something that demands time and resources, the act of reproduction can lead to STDs, and many people who are capable of children may not be capable of raising them. So in a nutshell, reproduction is foolish in this day's age.

Love is not irrational. Love is an emotion. Emotions are the perception (brain's interpretation) of a feeling. Feelings are sensations. The issue that is irrational is the manner in which our brain interprets an emotion. We have a number of sensations, increased heart rate and sweat production among others, that are used as we interpret emotion. An excellent example, Dutton and Aron (1974), found that men crossing a high bridge found the woman at the other end more attractive than men crossing a low bridge. This has been shown to work for the emotions as well. One study found that following or during an intense bike ride a person would respond more aggressively to negative actions, but I forget the study. Studies that are interesting to look at typically deal with pain elicited aggression and excitation transfer (although imo cognitive explanations are a waste of time, you should focus on the physiological reality that arousal level determines level of emotion, and stimulus determines type of emotion.)

So love of wisdom refers to the interpretation of sensations associated with or attached in some way to wisdom. So, love of wisdom may be looked at in a number of ways.

1) The feeling being interpreted as the calm love associated with feeling immediately following sexual relations that does not include anything leading to guilt. So love of wisdom = the calm feeling of wisdom.

2) The feeling being interpreted as the devoted love associated with the desire to protect at all costs. So love of wisdom = Care in wisdom.

3) The feeling being interpreted as the lust associated with the act of love. So love of wisdom = Overwhelming desire for wisdom.

Other interpretations may exist, these were just a few simple ones to give examples.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Love does not lead to reproduction: biological urges do. Love is an emotion- it is a construct of the human mind. The most primitive part of the human mind (often called the reptilian brain, or the guardian of the Four F's) dictates urges including fighting, fleeing, fear and of course- ****ing. The latter needs love as much as a wheelchair-bound man needs a new pair of hiking shoes.

And I very much disagree with the assertion that reproduction is the most rational thing around. Abstinence is far more rational; reproduction leads to excess peoples in an already overblown society, a further drain on the national economy and something that demands time and resources, the act of reproduction can lead to STDs, and many people who are capable of children may not be capable of raising them. So in a nutshell, reproduction is foolish in this day's age.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Why can´t I love wisdom ? I like to know things.

There is no contradiction between love, and wisdom. You are assuming that wisdom have to be rationalist. Rationalism would conflict with love, but not wisdom. Maybe it would be [B]wise to take these "irrational" emotions in consideration when making a jugment. [/B]

But about emotion, that's not irrational. Emotion is basic logic used as an instinct to react to certain situations wich is good most of the time. Something happens you don't like.. You get angry and this make sure you're going to do something about it. You meet someone who has familiar facial features, you get the protection urge, this is good! It makes sure you protect your offspring and makes sure you find new flesh to mate with.
If you had to think about everything at the same time you would go crazy. Every little emotion makes sure you will do things without thinking and makes sure you can react faster, learn and remember.
Emotion is pretty good. You wouldn't want to be without, you wouldn't want to be psycho and have to think constantly. That's annoying.
Most of these instincts, whether great or small or enormous serve a purpose. You may not understand all of them or want to but they do.

The desire to keep and attain knowledge, understanding or wisdom is normal. Don't worry, if you would hate philosophy or any form of developing understanding or keeping it, you would be pretty out of this world.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Love is an emotion. And Emotions lead to irrational thinking. Wisdom is not irrational thinking. Therefore....to love Wisdom is a contradiction.

1) Love is all about your perceptions of things.
2) Thinking rationally or irrationally is all about your perceptions of things.
3) Wisdom is rational thinking.
4) According to 2) AND 3) Wisdom is all about perceptions.
5) According 1) AND 4) there is no LOGICAL contradiction between LOVE and WISDOM.

Therefore "to Love Wisdom" is not a contradiction.

Conclusion: Love and wisdom are not contradictory. But our perceptions of the two may be contradictory. And then again it is just perceptions 😉

I disagree love and wisdom are contradictory. Love has no explicable basis. You can appreciate things or like things (other words apply here for varous reasons) but love is sort of a some total that isn't really based on any explicable emotion.

Thus they saying: "How do I know if I am in love. We'll, you just know"

Wisdom is the intelligent and useful application of knowledge to solve real world issues and imo is rather unrelated to love.

Originally posted by Alliance
I disagree love and wisdom are contradictory......Wisdom is the intelligent and useful application of knowledge to solve real world issues and imo is rather unrelated to love.

You have to realise that the only two in question here are "TRUE LOVE" and "WISDOM". I am not going to even argue with you if you are comparing wisdom to "being in lust"?!?!

And if we all had love, we would not have so many real world issues to solve to start with. So in that regard Love is the prevention and wisdom is the medication. which makes love more attractive than wisdom. But still not contradictory. because we need both the prevention and the medication.

Just because they are not similar doe not mean they are contradictory. you will not be able to love if you do not have any perceptions of the subject of your love. And you will not have any wisdom( Intelligent.....) if you do not have any perceptions of the subject. intelligent or not it is still just a perception.

to be contradictory they have to be able to totally cancel each other. wisdom does not LOGICALLY "totally cancel" love and love does not LOGICALLY "totally cancel" wisdom. Why can't they be COMPLEMENTARY?..... Or everything has to be 1 or 0: (binary) Intelligence is the most primitive form of intelligence. Human Intelligence can go well beyond that, We just have to be intelligent enough to realise that. Putting limitation and restrictions helps formulating definitions for things easier. but it does not help truly understanding them the best we can.

Note1: Starting with "I disagree", shows That you put more emphasize on your perception of things rather than on "the intelligent and useful application of knowledge" 😉 but then again that is just a perception 😉

Note2: You seem to have a clear cut definition of WISDOM. but not so for LOVE. That shows that you Love WISDOM more than LOVE and in that case your argument will not be valid anyway because you arguing for the one you love more. (Just another perception 😉 )