Nate Gray (Full Potential) Vs. Thanos

Originally posted by Wally West
I don't think so. He knocked Surfer out of the fight without breaking a sweat but Thanos gave him a hell of a fight. In fact Odin only knocks Thanos down twice in the whole thing and he gets back to his feet both times, and Odin comments how he hasn't fought such a good opponent in years.

Thanos was nothing to Odin. Odin didn't break a sweat or had trobule with Thanos. If you wanna talk about someone holding back, it was Odin aganist Thanos.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? the second most powerful mutant to ever have lived has no chance? i think people are talkin out of their asses. even cable at full potential can eat stars and supernovas, nate is significantly more powerful than cable. nate wins this.

Second one? He is not second one, but could be in top 5 (potentialy not even in top 5, potentialy not even Franklin Richards could in top 5). If we speak potential, Nate should have greater raw power than Thanos. Now this durabilty is question, but if we speak potential, probably his body should be up there in the end with his raw power.
I also rememebr durabiitly of Phoenix in early state. She was always weak, her body too weak for such power. Look now, where she reached her potantial, the most powerful being in MU, a mutant.
The same will/would be with Nate, except that he won't have such power level as Phoenix. But body should be in the end up there.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos was nothing to Odin. Odin didn't break a sweat or had trobule with Thanos. If you wanna talk about somone holding back, it was Odin Vs. Thanos.

Second one? He is not second one, but could be in top 5 (potentialy not even in top 5, potentaily not even Franklin Richards could in top 5). If we speak potenial, Nate should have greater raw power than Thanos. Now this durabilty is question, but if we speak poteantial, probably his body should be up there in the end with his raw power.

no he definately is the second most powreful, no PIS. well unless u take wanda's chaos wave seriously, than she is already beyond the living tribunal in powers but thas bullshit an every1 knows it. mutant heirarchy goes like this{average power levels no PIS}{oh n btw, just cause sum1 is named omega NOW, doesnt mean that others dont have omega potential too, most of the powerful mutants have omega potential n jean doesnt count as the phoenix is not her mutation but another power source altogether

FRANKLIN RICHARDS
NATE GREY
CABLE
HYPERSTORM
LEGION
STRYFE
SCARLET WITCH
ALPHA THE ULTIMATE MUTANT
MAGNETO
XAVIER
GAMBIT{red son, full potential}
ICEMAN{full potential}
JUBILEE{full potential}
KID OMEGA
ELIXIR
APOCALYPSE
JEAN GREY

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he definately is the second most powreful, no PIS. well unless u take wanda's chaos wave seriously, than she is already beyond the living tribunal in powers but thas bullshit an every1 knows it. mutant heirarchy goes like this{average power levels no PIS}{oh n btw, just cause sum1 is named omega NOW, doesnt mean that others dont have omega potential too, most of the powerful mutants have omega potential n jean doesnt count as the phoenix is not her mutation but another power source altogether

FRANKLIN RICHARDS
NATE GREY
CABLE
HYPERSTORM
LEGION
STRYFE
SCARLET WITCH
ALPHA THE ULTIMATE MUTANT
MAGNETO
XAVIER
GAMBIT{red son, full potential}
ICEMAN{full potential}
JUBILEE{full potential}
KID OMEGA
ELIXIR
APOCALYPSE
JEAN GREY

No. And where is Phoenix (last in that group). I really don't understand how you see things. Did you read what Eternity said for Jean Grey or Phoenix in other words. Yes, I don't think Eternity was making that up. You are so wrong about ceratin things.
Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough🙂) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.
Hyperstorm with all that power, still lost to Galactus, while Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) defeated Galactus, so that tells you enough.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No. And where is Phoenix (last in that group). I really don't understand how you see things. Did you read what Eternity said for Jean Grey or Phoenix in other words. Yes, I don't think Eternity was making that up. You are so wrong about ceratin things.
Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough🙂) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.
Hyperstorm with all that power, still lost to Galactus, while Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) defeated Galactus, so that tells you enough.

if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him

and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him

and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

It's obvious Phoenix is a mutant. She is one with PF, that is her mutant potential, so she is a mutant (it's their power).
Franklin is wow, but Scarlet Witch surpassed his feats recently (and Franklin didn't create full sized universe, but a little pocket universe or smaller realites, not close to our own in size).
About Nate, and surpassing Dark Pheonix, hey it's Phoenix, so you can forget about that, and you said going by feats. Nate at full is nothing to Phoenix.
Cable to eat stars, not a feat (goin by feat he lost to SS, so Thanos would tear him apart, Calbe was holding back, but so was SS, I think Godlike Cable has greater raw power than SS, but I can't prove shit, only my opinion, so here logically would say Nate doesn't stand a chance against Thanos, but thtred say full potentail).
Hyperstorm was power, but lost to Galactus (but that is not negative, because Galactus is also a power).

Originally posted by Xplosive

Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough🙂) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.

Just thought I'd mention that Franlkin is now an official omega mutant 😉

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him

and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

When dealing with gods, like Franklin and Phoenix and SW, PIS doesn't apply.

They're GODS. So you can't dismiss anything they do as PIS - they MAKE reality.

Originally posted by demigawd
When dealing with gods, like Franklin and Phoenix and SW, PIS doesn't apply.

They're GODS. So you can't dismiss anything they do as PIS - they MAKE reality.

i NEVER said anythin about them not being gods. its only WANDA. whose a probelm. when a character suddenly turns from being a normal character to dominating the omniverse than thas PIS. both phonix, and FRANKLIN have gotten powered up grdually, thas why its not PIS, wanda however IS.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Just thought I'd mention that Franlkin is now an official omega mutant 😉

Ok, but Nate is not. So there are more omega mutants and Nate is not among them. So that means automaticly he is not on second place. That was my point.

I'm not saying that his list is correct, but it does seem to give a good definition of what an Omega level mutant is and why certain characters are considered in that level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutant#Confirmed_Omega_Level_Mutants:

A few things to think about:

Pretty much anyone below skyfather (with the exceptions of Warlock, Strange, etc) is going to fall to Thanos with prep. I mean, he's taken over the universe WITHOUT prep, so prep is going to put Nate at a considerable disadvantage. Even if Nate were to gather info on Thanos from all the files from the Avengers, FF, X-Men, etc., he'd still be at a huge disadvantage against Thanos, because he's lived so long and his tech and knowledge are so advanced.

As far as no prep is concerned...This is a bit more difficult for me. Thanos biggest advantage here is experience. Nate isn't used to fighting beings on Thanos' level, and I'm not talking just in terms of power. I think, no, I KNOW that Nate has more than enough power to take Thanos. Whether he'd take a solid majority or not, I'm not sure.

And another thing...I've always found the bit about Nate and Cable's bodies not being able to handle that amount of power as pure bull. Jean Grey and all of her offspring, direct, test tube or otherwise, all are omega mutants with unlimited TP and TK. With Rachel being shown altering her own DNA, I don't understand why it would be such a stretch for any of them to fix that problem. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I suppose it's one of those things writers do to keep TPs and TKs from being too powerful...

Its a way to keep Nate and Cable at a level where they would be interesting. The fact that their power could kill them adds drama otherwise they would be so powerful they would be boring as few villians would ever pose a challenge.

as far as powerful mutants -- thanos is a mutant too . . . where does HE fit your lists? i'm also not sure what full power nate is. beyond godlike cable? thanos would certainly beat godlike cable who from all i've seen was comparable and maybe<ss. can his powers go beyond that?

thanos MIGHT beat godlike cable, but thas not FULL potential cable. cable even at his godlike state is far from his full potential.

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as powerful mutants -- thanos is a mutant too . . . where does HE fit your lists? i'm also not sure what full power nate is. beyond godlike cable? thanos would certainly beat godlike cable who from all i've seen was comparable and maybe<ss. can his powers go beyond that?

I doubt its an offical list but it seems that to be an omega you have to be able to transend your physical body and become an abstract or have the potential to. So I wouldn't think that Thanos is an Omega although he is extremely powerful. Being an Omega seems to have more to do with the nature of your power rather than a measure of it.

based on my knowledge of shaman's feats, I don't see how you can say nate would win.

If you extrapolate from his feats, perhaps. But extrapolation is dirty business. One could just as easily extrapolate from thanos' feats, and argue that eventually he will become (on his own power) co-equal of death, eternity, and galactus.

Nate at Full potential is pure energy, he would emit the equivalent of a super nova. Directed properly at Thanos, i think nate would prevail. Now thanos w/ prep time maybe not.

Nate Grey surpasses cables potential and look at what cables up tothese days.

anyway, i havent been following cable much after he lost his powers. but i hear that hes got em back in cabledeadpool 25? if i may ask...how and whad i miss?

Thanos crumb stomp his xman!

harmonic where have you BEEN?

Shaman nate was not coming close to beating quabri, who i'd put roughly at green lantern power level.

I really doubt he can take down thanos. Why do you guys think "full potential" nate is that much more powerful than shaman nate?