spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by TheKahn
To me that has been the most difficult attack to account for. Not many mutants deal with speed on that level often.The key is that my team gets five hours of prep and surprises the JLA. The first target would be the Flash. Now I have to use several attacks against him (the reason for so many is that these guys are from different universes so its tricky to say how their powers would affect the Flash/Speed Force)The first key is the ME Rogue with the Destiny's pre-cog. I would use her to get a general idea of how the JLA will begin the fight and plan accordingly (much like Deathstroke was able to predict Wally's movements from his past experience). Merged X-Man should have enough brains to think up a effective plan.
My team would take the field protected my multiple overlapping forcefields from Magneto and Professornaut (should be enough, if not there are more who can add to it).
The Flash would be the first target. So now I know generally what he is going to do I would attack him on three fronts:
First would be a telepathic telepathic/telekinetic assault. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any imminuity to a either so either he gets reduced to the mind of a 3 year old girl or his brain explodes. During this time Iceman and New Sun both of which can reduce kinetic energy would be making sure he is slow enough to keep track of (though the psi's shouldn't need more than a bare fraction of a second given their power and prep time). Also Scarlet Witch would do some magic to possibly miss up his connection to the speed force or cause him to trip. He should be gone withing a second after the fight starts.
Flash is potentially the most dangerous character but given preptime, pre-cog info, and the above attacks my team should be able to take out Wally quickly with every leaving their forcefields. This may be moot though as the New Sun *might* be able to take on Wally by himself as he has control also over all forms of kinetic energy (but this is debatable)
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Good analysis Kahn.
And honestly I think it would work.
The JLA team would have a considerably hard time (in essence unwinnable) against a team of uber power-wielders like the ones you assembled (where they are basically kissing the viable max of their powers), that also has the abilities stemming from pre-cognition.
In Spetz's 'dictionary' the following is the hierachy of comic advantages:
no.3 on my list: Prep time.
Prep time will get almost anyone most of the time. With Prep time a person like Doom (who though powerful should not be taking down some of the folks he takes down) will defeat nigh anyone, and give Batman/Reed/Deathstroke/T'Challa prep and you have a serious situation. Although Doom still takes the cake for prep.
no.2 on my list: Pre-cognition.
This is greater/better than prep time!
Why?
Well, you can have all the prep time you need, but if I KNOW what you are going to do then all that prep time was for naught.
Hence precognition is definitely better than prep (unless you can prepare for my precog, which would be moot since my precog would let me know you were preparing for my precog, in which case YOUR prep would have to prepare for my precog knowing you were prepping for my precog, in which case I would know that you were .......well, you see what starts to happen)
no.1 on my list: PIS/CIS.
This is the single most powerful advantage a character can have.
It will enable the defeat of ANYONE ANYTIME (unlike the 'almost anyone' 'most' of the time abilities of the prep time aspect).
With PIS/CIS a character like Squirrel Girl can defeat Terrax and Thanos!
With PIS/CIS a character like Reed can defeat Galactus (this was not really prep as it was PIS/CIS).
Also with this Storm can take out WW, and Wolverine can beat Lobo.
Anyways, enough of Spetz's dictionary.
Back to this match .....the intention of the above dictionary was to show that the X-men team was using the third and second most powerful advantages in my list.
Consequently, the ONLY way the JLAers could defeat them would be if they were to use PIS/CIS (or, barring that, if they were allowed to also use a mix of prep and precog .....has to be a mix of the two).
Thus, without a prep/precog mix, or a PIS/CIS imbuement, the JLA will go down .....and they will go down hard.
PS: Actually one could argue that the X-men team is not only using prep and precog, BUT ALSO using PIS/CIS.
Why?
Well, after all the original poster made the X-men team have significant advantages (both numerical and power level),as well as collapsing universes to allow the multiple presence of the same character (eg more than one Magneto, three Juggernauts, etc etc), having the powers of all those characters be as high as they can be (that is, as high as they can get without the comic book literally catching fire), plus they have prep and precog, etc etc etc. The members of the 'x-men' could even be people who were briefly members, even in only one universe.
Add to this that the JLA team, although able to use their various powers, are not at the apex of their abilities (eg having Flash as one with the Speed Force where he becomes a god and is everywhere at the same time, having Superman soaking in solar energy, having MM as Fernus, having Aquaman has wielding the hunger aspect of the Water hand, having GL as the sole user of Oan energy, having Wonderwoman manifesting the godwave, having Zatanna literally flowing with eldritch and thus able to easily take out Despero, etc).
Thus, it could be argued that the X-team is actually using PIS/CIS as well ......although maybe I would leave out the 's' (since it is not really 'stupidity' ....after all it is a thread), however it is DEFINITELY plot-induced.
Thus it could be said that the X-team is using Prep, using pre-cog, and using PIS/CIS.
Conclusion: The X-team wins.