Originally posted by B dot Rob
Where in my posts did I say his stats were padded by the goaltending? If you read it again you'll see that the goaltending is a shot at the athleticism (or lack thereof) in the era where Russell played. And please if Russell played in this era he'd be trash, garbage, ss, buns and he probably wouldn't even make the league.
Whats your definition of athleticism?
Russell is very athletic. He is the original alley-oop finisher , not to mention he's been described as having some sort of "double jumping" ability because even when the opposing player was able to fake him, he was still able recover quickly and STILL block the shot. In addition, Russell often throws accurate outlet passes to the point guard shortly after rebounding even while in mid air.
The only time Russell will be a trash/garbage if you put him in the current league without updating him on basketball developments since he retired which is an INACCURATE way of comparing players.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Yes it does, it shows how piss-poor the management and overall talent level of the era was. This day and age you will NEVER see a sub .500 team make the finals. Talents too good and so is management.
Its not a matter of "poor management", its a matter of lack of funds.
NBA today is big business. In Russell's time, the League is still struggling for survival. The management cant afford to give perks to its players like psychiatric help (especially since Russell's anorexic tendencies had achieved the status of a good luck charm for the Celtics).
And another thing, NBA at 50 declares the Russell-era as "the greatest influx of talent that the League has ever seen." Sucky era? None sense.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
@ your link saying what I just said and them saying they PROBABLY (which is a lie) could beat the very bottom of the barrell teams.
I'll quote the text from the link:
"College basketball has changed so much that it would be imprudent to suggest a team a half-century ago could beat any team in the
2006 NCAA Tournament."
"San Francisco's Dons probably could, though."
First off, the link is NOT saying what you said.
Second, the author of the article refers to a NCAA team from fifty years ago capable of beating ANY TEAM, from the bottom feeders to the elites in the Final Four, in the 2006 NCAA tournament. Youre interpretation of "the very bottom of the barrell teams" is wrong.
Third, between you and the author of the article, i say youre the one more capable of lying.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
And common sense tells us there is no way in hell that any old timer would do SHIT in this day and age whereas Kobe could beat teams by himself.Just because he played in an sucky era doesn't mean that he is now somehow magically on a top 10 list when in reality you can find 100s of players with more skill then him.
Oh and Oscar shouldn't be anywhere in fact I'll put up an irrefutable argument that shits on him in a second (someone was trying to say he was better then Jordan, someone got shitted on).
I certainly wouldnt put Russell or any old timers inside a modern basketball game WITHOUT UPDATING THEM on modern basketball concepts, training, rules etc. . . . . oh wait iv'e already type this.
Seriously what part of the stipulation "WITHOUT UPDATING THEM on modern basketball concepts, training, rules etc" could you NOT understand?
When comparing modern players with players from a much older era, its important to put things INTO CONTEXT. Modern players have the undue advantage because they have the benefit of learning ACCUMULATED KNOWLEDGE from previous eras. Kobe, Michael, Vince and their coaches have the benefit of learning from the mistakes and the success of Bill Russell, Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson and their teams and coaches etc. This is besides the benefits afforded by developments in science and technology - modern shoes, modern first aid techniques, modern training equipment, diet etc.
If youre putting modern players in the 60's you have to FACTOR OUT alot of these accumulated knowledge and modern benefits.
If youre putting old players into the modern era, you have to update them.