Top 10 players in NBA History

😱 Speaking of the draft, i screamed with laughter when the knicks chose balkman at 20, and who did my favorite team steal from them: marcus williams. hurray!

as long as the knicks are with marbury, they continue to suck, because its been a proven stat that which ever team marbury joins gets worse, and whichever team he leaves gets better. francis is a solid leader and much better PG than marbury in my opinion. and jeffries was a good choice, but if isiah and marbury continue with their strong "relationship," the knicks are going nowhere. the 2 hollow heads both kicked brown out, and isiah might the only coach who gets along with marbury. Lets wait and see. Argh, i cant wait until the season starts, its killing me man!

Problem with having Marbury and Francis starting is the one has to play SG, Marbury is too small and Francis cant shoot. I think they are better off having a starting line up of:
PG - Francis
SG - Crawford
SF - Jeffries
PF - Frye
C - Curry

Then you can have a 2nd unit of:
PG - Marbury
SG - Richardson
SF - Rose
PF - Lee
C - James

Thats not even taking into account players like Robinson, Mo Taylor and Malik Rose who could help a bit.
I cant see Marbury or Francis wanting to come off the bench though and you dont pay your back up PG 20 mill a year either.

Jeez thank god im not a Knicks fan right now. 😆

yeah, marbury wouldnt accept not starting. it would be better if he left and robinson was the PG of the 2nd unit. Also, i would put taylor over frye and have frye over david lee.

this team really is a mess without a true nucleus. virtually every player came to the knicks 2 years ago or more recently.

i actually sorta liked the knicks back when they had houston, sprewell, camby, and mark jackson. but now, its just a mix of various other teams.

one thing about marbury... there was an allstar game he played in a few years ago... where him and AI caught fire. best i've ever seen him play. i think hes the player who needs spedific players around him to be able to do well. i dont think any of the knicks team are that good, they've got some young talent, granted. but no-one whos a proven talent

but in order for the knicks to have any shot at success, they need to get rid of marbury first. marbury/francis cannot coexist.

or francis. hes more likely to go as isiah is a big fan of marbury, so i wouldnt be surprised to see francis go for someone.

i do agree though, marbury has never been on a winning team... cept maybe for the wolves? not sure if they made the playoffs.

You have to wonder what Isiah was thinking when he brought Francis in though, if they'd just kept Hardaway on the books last year they'd be 20 mill out of the red this year. If Isiah is so in love with Marbury then Francis serves no purpose except having another albatross type contract that nobody else wants any part of. Its hard to imagine Larry Brown wanting Francis either, he has none of the qualities Brown likes in his players.
That said Isiah has made his bed and now he gets to lie in it. He put together the roster and no he has to find a way to bring them together. Its hard to see it working though, even though they have some talent the players just dont compliment each other.

this is it. isiah is in the spotlight with the mess he created. they'll give him 1 season to turn this around.

Originally posted by koolruningz
First off defensively im not talking about steals and blocks, im talking about basic defense. Moving your feet and keeping your man in front, Nash has terrible lateral quickness and that will always make him a poor defender. Kobe is an elite perimeter defender due in part to his athleticism plus his skill level and desire to defend. If it was just athleticism then Bron, Wade, T-Mac and Carter would be lock down defenders to.

Nash actually averaged a shade over Kobe in TO's last year, but im not trying to use stats to prove my point. I personally think the best player should be determined by skill level and thats why i chose Kobe.
Im not denying Nash is a better teammate and looks to pass more or babysits Raja's kids, in terms of skill and ability he isnt in the top 5 players in the league imho.

The Suns are better than the Lakers, thats why they crush us. In the playoffs our gameplan was working until the Suns made a few adjustments to nullify our advantage in the post. In the end the better team wins in a seven game series and thats what happened. This all happened with Kobe playing more like Nash and distributing the ball, in the end the Suns had more potent weapons.

To me your argument is solid as to why Nash won the MVP, he lead his team (which is strong btw) to a great record and deep playoff run. But so did Brand, Dirk, Bron and especially Wade.
I just cant see how he is a better player than Kobe though, they both have their strengths offensively but defensively it isnt even close.

ummm...i know he was the season mvp, but he lead his team past kobes lakers in the first round despite being down 3-1 at one point...and dont tell me kobe did not get any team support. if he can constantly hog the ball throughout the season, superior talent or not..supporting cast or no supporting cast, then he should be able to do it in the playoffs where it matters. if he was such a great player that could lead a team by himself, he sure as hell would not lose a playoff series after going up 3-1 no matter how good the team. face it, kobe is nothing without shaq. there was a time when people said..what kobe and shaq need is eachother...now no1 can say that because shaq just won his 4rth ring given a lot of credit to d-wade who also would not have been able to win it without shaq. shaq is not the main guy on the team, but he definitely opens up the floor and the paint for everyone, especially wade.

Welcome back tanjot, i've missed your Kobe bashing as much as i would an ingrown toenail.

Kobe is nothing without Shaq? Are you serious? Yeah you probably are, keep living in your fantasy land man. I hear they have Vince Carter flavored Ice Cream there.

YUMMMM, I love the taste of whiny babies.

Originally posted by tanjot
ummm...i know he was the season mvp, but he lead his team past kobes lakers in the first round despite being down 3-1 at one point...and dont tell me kobe did not get any team support. if he can constantly hog the ball throughout the season, superior talent or not..supporting cast or no supporting cast, then he should be able to do it in the playoffs where it matters. if he was such a great player that could lead a team by himself, he sure as hell would not lose a playoff series after going up 3-1 no matter how good the team. face it, kobe is nothing without shaq. there was a time when people said..what kobe and shaq need is eachother...now no1 can say that because shaq just won his 4rth ring given a lot of credit to d-wade who also would not have been able to win it without shaq. shaq is not the main guy on the team, but he definitely opens up the floor and the paint for everyone, especially wade.

hey, i've heard a lot about you and your obsession with vince carter. i dont blame you, im a huge nets and i love carter myself. but i once saw that earlier in this thread you said you were going to put his name in the top 10 players in history and i laughed. priceless.

Top 10 of all time in order

MJ
Shaq
Kareem
Magic
Hakeem
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
KG
Domonique Wilkins
Kobe Bryant

NBA season starts in 62 days. im starting a countdown.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Top 10 of all time in order

MJ
Shaq
Kareem
Magic
Hakeem
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
KG
Domonique Wilkins
Kobe Bryant

That you do not have Wilt in here makes your point moot. Did you simply forget about him? And where the heck is Bird?

you also should include david robinson.

Originally posted by BobbyD
That you do not have Wilt in here makes your point moot. Did you simply forget about him? And where the heck is Bird?

Wilt may be one of the greats but he played in a VERY weak era of big men. Put him in todays league and he's no more then Atlanta Hawks circa-Shareef (the fact that he was able to be defended by a guy who's only about the same size as your average 2 in this day and age proves this point). And I wouldn't take Bird over any of the people in that top 10.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Wilt may be one of the greats but he played in a VERY weak era of big men. Put him in todays league and he's no more then Atlanta Hawks circa-Shareef (the fact that he was able to be defended by a guy who's only about the same size as your average 2 in this day and age proves this point). And I wouldn't take Bird over any of the people in that top 10.

Wilt was the only 7 footer back then, but he was only 7 foot 1. Its not like he was 7 foot 1, while the other centers were 6 foot 5. the other centers were like 6' 10'' or 6' 11'', but just not 7 foot. So its still amazing that he scored 100 in a single game. Also, they even made up the 3 second rule after him, so i think he deserves to be on that list.

And you wouldnt pick Bird or even Isiah Thomas over Domonique Wilkins? Wilkins strengths were only in his athleticsm (dunking). Bird and Isiah were two of the most clutch players ever. and i would even put Reggie Miller over Domonique any day.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Wilt may be one of the greats but he played in a VERY weak era of big men. Put him in todays league and he's no more then Atlanta Hawks circa-Shareef (the fact that he was able to be defended by a guy who's only about the same size as your average 2 in this day and age proves this point). And I wouldn't take Bird over any of the people in that top 10.

I like your logic; I just think it doesn't apply to Wilt, that's all. ...still frustrates me how you don't have Bird in there. But, to each their own. 😬

i'd take bird over karl malone any day of the week.