spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by Pepito
There is the factor that maybe Superman has a power limit (say the solar energy makes his strength 3000 tonnes but the power cosmic already makes his strength more than that - are the levels added together). I think Onslaught could take him down and definitely Tyrant and Thanos. Juggernaut is always an uphill struggle as well so he might cause some trouble - Superman hits him, he goes flying but then he gets up and says, "No-one can beat the incredibly obnoxious Juggernaut". Eventually the force field shuts down and Supes moves onto next person but its probably tiring. Onslaught is underrated - it took many more heroes than Doctor Strange to kill him and it took a year of general blasting and punching.
Good question.
Think of it this way.
Normal Superman can move around a third of the Moon's mass (meaning he can move 24.7 Quintillion tons i.e 24,700,000,000,000,000,000 tons). That is definitely much more than 3,000 tons.
Now, take All-Star Superman.
He spent a brief amount of time in the sun,and thus his abilities and capabilities (ranging from physical to mental to powers) went off the roof.
In the first comic he was holding up a 200 quintillion ton force....with just one hand ....and not even showing exertion.
Hence he was doing with one hand something that he was not able to do while straining (the Moon's mass is 74 quintillion tons, and it needed Superman, Martian Manhunter and WonderWoman together to move it .......All Star Superman, after a brief time in the sun, was holding up 200 quintillion tons with one hand and not showing effort).
Mull on that a bit.
Then compare it with your 3,000 ton comment.
Thus it shows that a brief sun-dip would be sufficient to make Superman get stronger (and not just mere physical strength, but everything) .....he even developed new powers, as well as immunity to kryptonite, plus an intellect that was last seen during the Pre-Crisis days.
Now imagine what a year long stay at the Sun would do.
Now, add to this the power cosmic and all that it entails (for example matter manipulation).
And then add to that the abilities of a Sorcerer Supreme ....and not just any sorcerer Supreme but one who is far beyond human and can weave spells far faster than Dr. Strange ever could.
That combination is hard to beat.
Honestly speaking the only Superman that would be above him would probably have to be Superman Prime (who spent a millenium in the Sun, compared to one year for this one).
All other Supermen (including Superman 1million and Pre-Crisis Superman) would arguably be below this Superman creation of 'zachrivard,' and the only Superman that would be assured of being able to defeat him would be Superman Prime (again, if a brief dip in the sun could do what it did to All Star Superman, imagine what a millenia long slumber would .....especially when you consider that even BEFORE Prime went into the sun he was said to already be beyond all power known before).
zachrivard's Superman would be tough to beat if he was using all his powers at once (enhanced Superman abilities, coupled with augmented super-sorcery and all that comes with it ....eg the crimson bands of Cyttorak and access to the Vishanti, with the power cosmic affixed to this).
Hard to beat.