Originally posted by debbiejo
Ohhhhhhh man, not another one....So, you're in the true church, and everyone else is in the false church???....I guess there will be a lot of people in hell.
No, he is just another victim of the big lie, just like I used to be. These slaves are so brainwashed that they don't need chains to control them.
Thank God I am gifted of something called "free will", so I can choose my beliefs by myself using my discriminatory ability to distinguish between what makes sense and what do not makes sense.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, he is just another victim of the big lie, just like I used to be. These slaves are so brainwashed that they don't need chains to control them.
Good... because chains are expensive. Lol
Originally posted by leonheartmm
in all HONESTY, would ANY1 of the people here believe in the relegion {mostly organized relegion} if their parents or society hadnt brought them up in it, or if they hadnt spent most of their time around people with that point of view?
Of course not. Organised religion relies on the father to son system to survive.
Would I honestly believe in a religious belief system if my parents or society hadn't? Absolutely!
As a youngster, my parents were not religious at all, nor were any of my immediate family members. As my memory recalls in those days, I had never heard the name of any religious leader, to include Jesus Christ. For example, Christmas was just a holiday to exchange gifts and get drunk. As for society, the majority knows as much about world religions as they do quantum mechanics. Some people are willing to admit that they lack knowledge; others resist such notions and hold their false assumptions as fact. People like this create a lot of confusion. World religions are not as dubious as people may claim. Just like the real world, religions too have objective truth behind them. For some religions, objectivity poses a great threat, whereas others are validated.
What is objective truth? Example: I own a black 2006 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt; that is a fact! Now, some people will deny my claims in having such a car without conducting any research. They will simply make an assumption and hold it as true. To these people, any one claiming that I have a black 2006 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt will be labled as intolerant. Regarding matters of fact, I do own a black 2006 Supercharged Cobalt. So, how is it that some people agree with me and the others do not? Well, one group investigated my claims and asked to see a proof of insurance, registration, loan documentation, billing statements, etc., and the others did not. For them, they may have made an assumption that a black 2006 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt was too expensive for me, and that was that.
Some people apply the same kind of reasoning to world religions. Some people investigate matters, and others do not. Some people may think that all religions are correct, and others may think that all religions are wrong. Even more, some people claim that one religion is true, and the rest are false. Point is, some people are wrong! It is impossible for everyone to be right in their views at the same time. The truth remains no matter what people may think; referring to my anology above, I own a black 2006 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt whether people choose to believe it or not!
I am a Christian, and I agree that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of the entire world! Jesus Christ is the Savior NOT because I "think" so, but because that is what the facts point to. I have studied world religions vigurously, and the religions that withstood the most scrutiny were Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And so I continued to study those, and I was forced to except Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior at the end. If you are curious to read my findings, click on the hyperlink. Once the page loads, look to the upper right and select "Christian Apologetics (Answering the Skeptic)." Thank you and take care.
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Originally posted by ushomefreeI mean no disrespect ushomefree, but others have also studied religions and other sciences and came to different conclusions when studding out their own faith.....So, are they condemned to hell just because their findings are different?
I am a Christian, and I agree that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of the entire world! Jesus Christ is the Savior NOT because I "think" so, but because that is what the facts point to. I have studied world religions vigurously, and the religions that withstood the most scrutiny were Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And so I continued to study those, and I was forced to except Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior at the end. If you are curious to read my findings, click on the hyperlink. Once the page loads, look to the upper right and select "Christian Apologetics (Answering the Skeptic)." Thank you and take care.http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=35170013
How would you explain miracles in different religions or beliefs around the world...healing's? Are they of god or Satan???....People are healed. There are documentations of it along with videos and televised TV programs....Non Christians in China is an example.
When people "sincerely" and "honestly" study the claims of world religions, it becomes bluntly obvious which of the countless are to be taken seriously. Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions lack grounded evidence to support them. Monotheistic religions on the other hand, have no problems relating and corresponding to the real world, and can be verified under the respected fields of secular history, science, archeology, etc. Out of the monotheistic religions, my findings show that Christianity is not to be taken lightly. There is both internal and external evidence to support the claims of Jesus Christ. Moreover, there is even evidence outside of the Bible to support Jesus Christ being the Messiah. This fact is not exclusive all in itself, but it sure makes one think. Especially since some religions, along with pertaining scripture, make claims that have zero evidence to substantiate them. Absolutely nothing! Don't take my word for it; "actually" study! People may have claimed to have studied, but I question their actions. I'm sorry, I just can't understand how one would take (for example) Mormonism more credible than Christianity, or Judaism more credible over Christianity. I will never understand that, and either would people who also have done indepth study. Christianity may be false indeed, but it is the only religion in the entire world that has evidence upon evidence to support it. It is ridiculous how deep Christianity is, and it is very intimidating.
As for miracles? I believe in them, but they come from God alone, not people chanting in native tongue, or claiming to have special gifts. Most miracles that people witness is in the form of entertainment, not pure motives. TV evangelists are con-artists! Now, the Bible states that not "everything good" comes from God. Some of what people experience are very real indeed, but they materialize from demonic spirits bent on deception. And this deception is thwarted to aid in denying the Christ Jesus. One of the biggest prophecies ever written in the Bible pertains to the coming of a one world religion and government. This is huge, and you can read about this in today's newspaper! Not that such a reality would happen in our generation, but you can clearly see that the foundation is being laid out. If prophecy lacks the ablity to sway people's thinking into having faith in Jesus Christ, I don't know what will? But they will have faith in what a neighbor or friend tells them about Christ. And who and what they should believe in. I don't get it.
Debbiojo, I think you are one of the most knowledgable people on this forum, but you have got to get your head out of poor sources of information. I am through with this topic. I feel as though no one takes me seriously, and just want to argue. I am not here for that.
Take care every one. And may your hearts pray in Jesus's name to help you find your way towards the truth. Amen.
Originally posted by ushomefree
When people "sincerely" and "honestly" study the claims of world religions, it becomes bluntly obvious which of the countless are to be taken seriously. Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions lack grounded evidence to support them. Monotheistic religions on the other hand, have no problems relating and corresponding to the real world, and can be verified under the respected fields of secular history, science, archeology, etc. Out of the monotheistic religions, my findings show that Christianity is not to be taken lightly. There is both internal and external evidence to support the claims of Jesus Christ. Moreover, there is even evidence outside of the Bible to support Jesus Christ being the Messiah. This fact is not exclusive all in itself, but it sure makes one think. Especially since some religions, along with pertaining scripture, make claims that have zero evidence to substantiate them. Absolutely nothing! Don't take my word for it; "actually" study! People may have claimed to have studied, but I question their actions. I'm sorry, I just can't understand how one would take (for example) Mormonism more credible than Christianity, or Judaism more credible over Christianity. I will never understand that, and either would people who also have done indepth study. Christianity may be false indeed, but it is the only religion in the entire world that has evidence upon evidence to support it. It is ridiculous how deep Christianity is, and it is very intimidating.As for miracles? I believe in them, but they come from God alone, not people chanting in native tongue, or claiming to have special gifts. Most miracles that people witness is in the form of entertainment, not pure motives. TV evangelists are con-artists! Now, the Bible states that not "everything good" comes from God. Some of what people experience are very real indeed, but they materialize from demonic spirits bent on deception. And this deception is thwarted to aid in denying the Christ Jesus. One of the biggest prophecies ever written in the Bible pertains to the coming of a one world religion and government. This is huge, and you can read about this in today's newspaper! Not that such a reality would happen in our generation, but you can clearly see that the foundation is being laid out. If prophecy lacks the ablity to sway people's thinking into having faith in Jesus Christ, I don't know what will? But they will have faith in what a neighbor or friend tells them about Christ. And who and what they should believe in. I don't get it.
Debbiojo, I think you are one of the most knowledgable people on this forum, but you have got to get your head out of poor sources of information. I am through with this topic. I feel as though no one takes me seriously, and just want to argue. I am not here for that.
Take care every one. And may your hearts pray in Jesus's name to help you find your way towards the truth. Amen.
Someone with week faith would give up and walk away.
Don't have week faith, I think you have strong faith, but don't fight. Don't give into anger and frustration. Let your faith, be the guild. I think you are trying too hard. Just listen, and realize that we believe, what we believe, just as strongly as you do.
If we talk about the teachings of Jesus we will not fight, for the teachings of Jesus will not allow that. But if you want to fight, then talk about the death of Jesus. To be honest, Christianity freaks me out sometimes. In many ways, it comes across as a death cult. However, the teachings of Jesus are wonderful.
I don’t think the bible is 100% crap, but I don’t think it is any more “the word of God” then the Koran (sp?) or the Lotus sutra. Shouldn’t we first find common ground, before we disagree?
Originally posted by ushomefree
When people "sincerely" and "honestly" study the claims of world religions, it becomes bluntly obvious which of the countless are to be taken seriously. Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions lack grounded evidence to support them. Monotheistic religions on the other hand, have no problems relating and corresponding to the real world, and can be verified under the respected fields of secular history, science, archeology, etc. Out of the monotheistic religions, my findings show that Christianity is not to be taken lightly. There is both internal and external evidence to support the claims of Jesus Christ. Moreover, there is even evidence outside of the Bible to support Jesus Christ being the Messiah.
This fact is not exclusive all in itself, but it sure makes one think. Especially since some religions, along with pertaining scripture, make claims that have zero evidence to substantiate them. Absolutely nothing! Don't take my word for it; "actually" study! People may have claimed to have studied, but I question their actions. I'm sorry, I just can't understand how one would take (for example) Mormonism more credible than Christianity, or Judaism more credible over Christianity. I will never understand that, and either would people who also have done indepth study. Christianity may be false indeed, but it is the only religion in the entire world that has evidence upon evidence to support it. It is ridiculous how deep Christianity is, and it is very intimidating.As for miracles? I believe in them, but they come from God alone, not people chanting in native tongue, or claiming to have special gifts. Most miracles that people witness is in the form of entertainment, not pure motives. TV evangelists are con-artists! Now, the Bible states that not "everything good" comes from God. Some of what people experience are very real indeed, but they materialize from demonic spirits bent on deception. And this deception is thwarted to aid in denying the Christ Jesus. One of the biggest prophecies ever written in the Bible pertains to the coming of a one world religion and government. This is huge, and you can read about this in today's newspaper! Not that such a reality would happen in our generation, but you can clearly see that the foundation is being laid out. If prophecy lacks the ablity to sway people's thinking into having faith in Jesus Christ, I don't know what will? But they will have faith in what a neighbor or friend tells them about Christ. And who and what they should believe in. I don't get it.
Debbiojo, I think you are one of the most knowledgable people on this forum, but you have got to get your head out of poor sources of information. I am through with this topic. I feel as though no one takes me seriously, and just want to argue. I am not here for that.
Take care every one. And may your hearts pray in Jesus's name to help you find your way towards the truth. Amen.
Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions lack evidence since they have been oppressed for the last 1,500 years, not because they're groundless. Monotheistic religions have no trouble relating to world events SINCE THEY WROTE THEM. Yes, there is evidence Jesus is alive, but is there evidence he's the Saviour? No.
Thanks for contradicting yourself. Evidence of Christianity IS JEWISH. Jesus was Jewish, his preachigs were Jewish, the Apostles were Jewish. Christianity is a spinoff of Judiasm, and so to say Judaism is uncredible is stupid.
Bye Bye.
Originally posted by finti
[B]Would You Honestly Have Believed In Your Relegion Today If Your Parent/society Hadnt My parents were christians, Im not so............. [/B]
im talkin about any people{n there are a LOT} who STILL believe. what i mean to say is almost EVERY1 who still believes IS brainwashed n does it not from their own mind n conciounce but because of fear n hammerin dogmas into their head.
Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions oppress and defeat themselves. People just do not take them seriously; they lack evidence. The problem is not people oppressing this or that, the problem is the religion itself. If I invited you to worship rocks with me, you would not take me seriously. But, if I had grounded evidence to prove that a particular rock was God, of one of many Gods, or a path to God, you would possibly consider it. Many religions are strictly based on heritage or culture... not the real world.
Christianity is not a spin off of Judaism. Christians recognized fulfilled prophecy written in the Old Testament about the coming Messiah; the Jews denied their Savior just as scripture indicated they would. And the overwhelming majority of Jews still do today. Some Jewish sects have actually removed Isaiah 53 from scripture (written 700 years before Christ) because it is too descriptive of Jesus. Moving on.
I am not saying that miracles themselves are a bad thing. If you are dying of terminal cancer and beat the odds, I would consider that a good thing. What I meant by "not everything good" comes from God is that miracles may seem like miracles, but they could simply have been natural circumstance and not something supernatural. The power of suggestion goes along way, especially over death. As for pure supernatural events, it would be very much impossible for one to know for sure, but miraculous healings may be from God. Remember, however, that God is not an entertainer. Satan on the other hand is, and will use all resources avaliable to deceive the masses. I think TV evangelists are a great example. People travel from all over the world to see people like Benny Hinn to be healed and so forth, but what they do not realize it that they put their faith in Benny Hinn and not Jesus Christ! People that put their own lives in the hands of another man or woman are decieved. Jesus Christ is the resurrection... not Benny Hinn. Understand?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Animistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic religions oppress and defeat themselves. People just do not take them seriously; they lack evidence. The problem is not people oppressing this or that, the problem is the religion itself. If I invited you to worship rocks with me, you would not take me seriously. But, if I had grounded evidence to prove that a particular rock was God, of one of many Gods, or a path to God, you would possibly consider it. Many religions are strictly based on heritage or culture... not the real world.Christianity is not a spin off of Judaism. Christians recognized fulfilled prophecy written in the Old Testament about the coming Messiah; the Jews denied their Savior just as scripture indicated they would. And the overwhelming majority of Jews still do today. Some Jewish sects have actually removed Isaiah 53 from scripture (written 700 years before Christ) because it is too descriptive of Jesus. Moving on.
I am not saying that miracles themselves are a bad thing. If you are dying of terminal cancer and beat the odds, I would consider that a good thing. What I meant by "not everything good" comes from God is that miracles may seem like miracles, but they could simply have been natural circumstance and not something supernatural. The power of suggestion goes along way, especially over death. As for pure supernatural events, it would be very much impossible for one to know for sure, but miraculous healings may be from God. Remember, however, that God is not an entertainer. Satan on the other hand is, and will use all resources avaliable to deceive the masses. I think TV evangelists are a great example. People travel from all over the world to see people like Benny Hinn to be healed and so forth, but what they do not realize it that they put their faith in Benny Hinn and not Jesus Christ! People that put their own lives in the hands of another man or woman are decieved. Jesus Christ is the resurrection... not Benny Hinn. Understand?
Satan does not exist, and you can't prove the bible true with the bible. I see no difference between the worshiping of rocks and Christianity. Instead of rocks, it’s a man on a cross.
I think...had I grown up not knowing about organized religion...never knowing Christ...that I would still be a very spiritual person. Would I worship something? Probably not...since I would not know what I would be worshipping.
I would be a very earth-spiritual person. I love the energy of nature and the power of meditation. I would believe that there was a Supreme Creator of the earth and all life, and I would respect it (him, her, whatever), but if I did not know it...I could not commit myself to it.
Would I be an "eat, drink, and be merry" kinda person...no. That's not who I am. It is not because I am LDS. I just choose not to do certain things because I feel...broken off from the spirit of the Earth. I become self-focused and self-loathing. I'd rather feel the peace and tranquility of the Earth.
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