What I am trying to say that Vodo simply calling Exar the greatest Jedi ever doesn't amount to conclusive evidence that Exar is better than Revan. If you red Woot's post, then you would know what I was trying to get at. Revan has been called the best by many, however simply being called the best doesn't amount to clear evidence that the person in question really is the best.
Vodo says to Exar that he is "the most formidable student (he has) ever had." Vodo is 600 years old and an almost peerless Jedi master in a martial order thousands strong.
Tell me who has called Revan the best. I want real, accurate quotes. Revan is rarely described with absolutes.
Yes as destructive. Admit it. If you want to try to prove that it is not as destructive, I'll be happy to respond.
First you're asking the opposition to prove a negative.
Second, what the hell are you talking about?
Malak's jaw was sliced of by Revan not Kavar.
According to your speculation. It's said that a Jedi performed the act.
He was not only empowered by it, he could control it. Bastila says so in the holocron on Korriban, that none of the Sith Lords (during the KOTOR time period) could control its power without being killed.
Good deal, so a bunch of wannabe "Sith" dark jedi couldn't control a technological terror. This makes Malak greater than Vodo how?
Vodo empowered his staff to become stronger than a lightsaber. The fact that he pulled this off really doesn't say much. NJO Luke didn't do this, DE Sidious didn't do this, Revan and Exar didn't do this (what a fun game it would be if you were forced to equip an empowered staff, eh?)Afterwards he lost to Kun. Not much huh?
It doesn't say much except that it's an unquestionably powerful use of the Force that a fanboy is trying to denigrate so that his precious character might look better.
By that logic, anything Revan does "doesn't say much."
The entire Jedi order feared Malak. They knew that the only chance they would have of defeating him is if they turned Revan against him.
Obviously they didn't fear him as much as they feared Kun (where's your source for them fearing Malak, by the way?).
By your feat wars logic, Exar is instantly greater than everyone because there's no other instance where the entire thousands-strong Jedi Order showed up to defeat a single entity.
The star forge is described as a giant space station with the power of a star. It could mass produce ships, but it also possessed immense darkside energies. When Revan fought Bastila, she was continually renewed by the power of the Star Forge, because she was Sith
And the generators aboard ISD's are described as miniature suns. So what? By your example, anyone who uses the Dark Side would be "empowered" were they to just step on the Star Forge.
And you don't offer any proof for that statement, I note.
Under the same logic from Kreia's quote, Hord would be a better duelist than Exar.
Not at all. She references the people of the time using words like "we" and "us."
Since Exar Kun is not alive, she cannot possibly be referring to him, especially since there's no proof that she's ever seen him.
Originally posted by Numan
Well you wave on about Kyp Durron like 24/7. Killing a leviathan and controlling a black hole isn't that impressive, but you rave on about him doing it. You also overrate Kam Solusar and Corran Horn. And I didn't make a valid argument for what I said because I wasn't that keen on getting into a long debate over it. look in the Ragnos vurses Luke thread and tou will see that I have backed up what I have said.
I haven't even been around for over a week. How would I be going on about Kyp 24/7 if I'm not here to do it? I've argued against Kyp in the past and there are plenty of people I have said you could defeat him. Just as you say I overrate Kam and Corran, I feel that you underrate them, which leaves us at an impass until you show how I overrate them. Until then stfu.
"Revan was stated my many to be the most powerful Jedi/Sith of the KOTOR era. This comes from Vrook, Vandar, Zhar, Dorak, Atris, Zez Kai, Kavar, Bastila, Traya, Sion, and even from Malak who would rather slice off his jaw than admit it wink. "
Except I doubt any one of them have seen Exar Kun in action. The Rodian dude on Yavin has. And he says he can WTFPWN Revan or Malak.
Originally posted by tdtd
Sorry to tell you but you can't argue between the likes of Kun and Revan. Those two are the hardest out of anybody in my mind. And IKC I call you a fan boy because I haven't seen you defend anyone other than KUN and you get so angry when some of us don't think of Kun as uber powerful.
Why can't we argue between the likes of Kun and Revan?
Sorry to tell you but you can't argue between the likes of Kun and Revan. Those two are the hardest out of anybody in my mind. And IKC I call you a fan boy because I haven't seen you defend anyone other than KUN and you get so angry when some of us don't think of Kun as uber powerful.
You seem to have epic intuitive powers, tdtd, if you can determine when I get angry by merely staring at black and white text. Bravo.
And you've been disproven before you even posted, by the way. Check the Canderous vs. Boba thread.
And no, their power is not hard to gauge. Revan is above average, definitely. He could probably beat Yoda. Exar is leagues above him in force power, lightsaber abilities, and dark side knowledge.
Except Revan was never stated to be the (the is absolute. It would help if you learned this) best in his time. Revan has never "unbelievable abilities" on the level of what Exar Kun displays. Revan's access to knowledge was lesser than Kun's. Revan's lightsaber abilities are a big ?, whereas Kun just into Jedi Knighthood was already a "master swordsman" and he continued to get better, exponentially so by the end of The Sith War
Kun is superior, you need to learn to accept it.
Nice speculation IKC
This coming from someone whose posts are rarely more than a single line and who has never offered forth a coherent string of logic and evidence?
Ah says the fanboy. "Kun was the best". Ok fanboy if it helps you sleep better at night sure he was.. Then again when we judge his force abilities, he's on level with what, a Sidious maybe? Again you've done nothing but exaggerate the power of Kun when I simply said "read the comics" because I'm not a big enough geek with time on my hands to remember quote after quote... You seem to have all the time on your hands so read the comics
Then again when we judge his force abilities, he's on level with what, a Sidious maybe?
According to whom? You? Sorry, your opinions are not material on which you can prove anything in a debate.
Again you've done nothing but exaggerate the power of Kun when I simply said "read the comics" because I'm not a big enough geek with time on my hands to remember quote after quote... You seem to have all the time on your hands so read the comics
Coming from someone who seems to have enough time to reply to each and every one of my posts, this seems more than a little hypocritical.
Coming from someone who has been pwned multiple times by the very scans I have taken from those comics, it's laughable.
Yes, a nerd who has had the time to read all the comics laughs at me because he thinks he proves something I have been unable to read, or better yet not had the time for. And who are you to say Kun's force abilities are better than Sidious'? Has Kun created a Force Storm, or Manipulated Black holes? NO? But does that make him worse? No.. So what is your point
Originally posted by tdtd
Who am I a fanboy of Glentract? You should spend a little less time on arguing which star wars figure owns which, and a little more on understanding what you write.. Let me know when you figure out who I'm a fanboy of.
I've already stated who, apparently you missed it. I suggest you actually read and comprehend others post before you attempt to make an educated reply to them.
I'm a fanboy of NJO Luke? That's some nice logic, where'd you come up with that? Nowhere have I proven that I'm a fan boy of anyone. I make posts based on what I know, obviously most of the nerds here know a little more but you get a little too riled up when your favorite hero isn't considered the greatest by everybody..
Originally posted by tdtd
Yes, a nerd who has had the time to read all the comics laughs at me because he thinks he proves something I have been unable to read, or better yet not had the time for. And who are you to say Kun's force abilities are better than Sidious'? Has Kun created a Force Storm, or Manipulated Black holes? NO? But does that make him worse? No.. So what is your point
Oh good, feat wars! Another logical fallacy!
And I think you're in the beginnings of circular reasoning, too.
"Kun can't do random feat X!"
"Why?"
"He's never shown to!"
"Why is he never shown to?"
"Because he can't!"
So are you going to make an argument for Sidious being greater than Kun? Lightsnake was far better at it than you are and he got trashed, so if you're up for being wtfpwned, be my guest.
