"But Sidious did" what? We know Sidious is Kun's inferior or at best an idiot because, if he did know everything Kun knew, he didn't use it in situations in which some of Kun's techniques would have saved his leathery ass.
And every Dark Side user brings unbalance to the Force. Ragnos' death weakened the dark side, for example.
Originally posted by IKC
"But Sidious did" what? We know Sidious is Kun's inferior or at best an idiot because, if he did know everything Kun knew, he didn't use it in situations in which some of Kun's techniques would have saved his leathery ass.And every Dark Side user brings unbalance to the Force. Ragnos' death weakened the dark side, for example.
The first 2 sentences, is that english? There have been millions of arguments regarding this. Just because he didn't use some of kun techniques doesn't mean he didn't know them lol. He did what was necessary to survive and he succeeded time and time again.
He did what was necessary to survive?
Is that why he got benchpressed into a reactor by a one-armed cyborg?
How about when his hand was hewn off by a farmboy?
How about when his "zOMG teh most powerful!"!!!!111" force storm was pushed on him by said farmboy?
What about when he was shot in the back by a smuggler?
And if you're going to nitpick, I can do just as well. In your question, it should be "are they english?"
LOL? Youre saying "is that english" is wrong? LOL...Learn grammar bro, either one of them is correct.. Maybe I should have said "is that considered english" so you wouldn't throw a fit... And yes while we're on the topic, Sidious learned the power of transforming his spirit to clones.. Did Kun have this power? It's not stated.. With your logic I would say no. I would say just because it's not stated, doesn't mean he doesn't have it.. Then again, if he did have it he would have used it on somebody to stay alive.. Then again all he had around him were a handful of massassi warriors..
Good job arguing from ignorance once again. Kun never died, he had all the massassi sacrifice themselves in order to power a ritual designed to unleash his spirit on the cosmos. In the JAT, it is clear that Kun desires to acquire a new body.
By your example, Sidious is shown to be inferior since his spirit does precisely squat whereas Kun's can manipulate the physical world, even to the extent of killing people.
The point is being called the strongest does not offer conclusive evidence on actual power.
Vandaar, Vrook, Zhar, and Dorak definately describe Revan as the strongest. Malak admits after Revan defeated him, that Revan is the far stronger Sith Lord. Kreia describes Revan almost as if he is a chosen one. Zez Kai, Kavar, and Atris mentions in your talks with them and in the council scene in KOTOR II how charismatic and powerful Revan was. Sion calls Revan his "lord" and how he turned down power that every one else was unworthy of. Bastila mentions Revan's power many times, and also in the holocron on Korriban.
I am replaying KOTOR so I can get you some exact quotes later. But I am hundred percent sure that the above people had the said opinion.
First you're asking the opposition to prove a negative.
Second, what the hell are you talking about?
If you read Glentract's post you would understand. We have no proof that Kun's blast is ANY more powerful than DE Sidious's storm or Revan's "lightning from the sky."
Prove to me Kun's blast is superior.
It doesn't say much except that it's an unquestionably powerful use of the Force that a fanboy is trying to denigrate so that his precious character might look better
IKC, if I am a Revan fanboy than you are an exar fan boy multiplied to the power of ten to the twenty three. You still haven't responded to my post. The fact that Revan, NJO Luke, DE Sidious, and Exar, have not empowered a staff to become as powerful as a lightsaber, how can it possibly denote they are any less talented as lightsaber duelists. How does this feat prove that Vodo would have made an especially challenging duelist?
By your feat wars logic, Exar is instantly greater than everyone because there's no other instance where the entire thousands-strong Jedi Order showed up to defeat a single entity.
It took all the Jedi to scare Kun into committing suicide eh? Big whoop.
I suppose another one of Kun's accomplishments is just barely stalemating a weakened Ulic.
Revan on the otherhand defeated an empowered Malak. A figure that the entire Jedi council feared taking on.
Good deal, so a bunch of wannabe "Sith" dark jedi couldn't control a technological terror. This makes Malak greater than Vodo how?
These weren't just wannabe Sith. Sion isn't seen controlling the star forge in KOTOR 2. Sion is by no means a weak. He is arguably one of the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars history. You are downplaying Malak's accomplishments.
And the generators aboard ISD's are described as miniature suns. So what? By your example, anyone who uses the Dark Side would be "empowered" were they to just step on the Star Forge
Not anyone can just control it though . Malak could, but in Bastila's holocron, many other Sith Lords' of the time were either destroyed or too afraid to use it because they feared being destroyed. The only reason his dark Jedi were being empowered is because Malak had strength enough to control the Forge.
Not at all. She references the people of the time using words like "we" and "us."
Exar Kun was just shortly before the people in KOTOR. The guy on the space station in KOTOR said so. She was referring to Exar as well.
Eh, there is a lot of BS in your post zephiel. Enough to keep me from responding to the whole thing.
It took all the Jedi to scare Kun into committing suicide eh? Big whoop.
I suppose another one of Kun's accomplishments is just barely stalemating a weakened Ulic.
Revan on the otherhand defeated an empowered Malak. A figure that the entire Jedi council feared taking on.
1. Exar didn't commit suicide. He lived for another 4000 years and was still powerful enough to defeat JA Luke.
2. That just means Ulic is powerful, which we know that he is, not that Exar is weak.
3. The entire Council feared him? BS! This is an outright lie as Kavar faced him ALONE and almost won.
Not anyone can just control it though . Malak could, but in Bastila's holocron, many other Sith Lords' of the time were either destroyed or too afraid to use it because they feared being destroyed. The only reason his dark Jedi were being empowered is because Malak had strength enough to control the Forge.
For all we know Malak has a Rakata gene in him and that was what allowed him to control it. Saying that he was able to use it why no one else was strong enough to only repeats what we already know, Malak was second in the Sith Order.
These weren't just wannabe Sith. Sion isn't seen controlling the star forge in KOTOR 2. Sion is by no means a weak. He is arguably one of the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars history. You are downplaying Malak's accomplishments.
Sion's power isn't in his raw strength, but his ability to regenerate. There are dozens of people who could kill Sion. BTW, the SF had been destroyed by then.
Exar Kun was just shortly before the people in KOTOR. The guy on the space station in KOTOR said so. She was referring to Exar as well.
It was a full 40 years. I wouldn't call that, "just shortly before".
If you read Glentract's post you would understand. We have no proof that Kun's blast is ANY more powerful than DE Sidious's storm or Revan's "lightning from the sky."
It's more powerful (and practical) than both because he is shown to do them with little effort and no recharge time.
And Revan's "lightning from the sky" is unproven as a force attack. It could very well be turbolaser fire.
IKC, if I am a Revan fanboy than you are an exar fan boy multiplied to the power of ten to the twenty three. You still haven't responded to my post. The fact that Revan, NJO Luke, DE Sidious, and Exar, have not empowered their staff to become as powerful as a lightsaber, how can it possibly denote they are any less talented as lightsaber duelists. How does this feat prove that Vodo would have made an especially challenging duelist?
Good use of hyperbole in the beginning there.
It proves that Vodo is powerful and does indeed have talent as a duelist, given he confronts the Dark Lord of the Sith with said staff. Period. It says nothing about those other characters but it does indicate exactly what he believes his skill to be. That's confidence. Arrogance is not a Jedi trait.
It took all the Jedi to scare Kun into committing suicide eh? Big whoop.
Big whoop? Do you have any idea what a fanboy you are if you're dismissing the fact that all Jedi showed up to stop Exar Kun as "big whoop?"
By the way, this isn't exactly committing suicide. Good job arguing from ignorance.
I suppose another one of Kun's accomplishments is just barely stalemating a weakened Ulic.
So how many times do I have to prove that you're wrong and possibly lying on the off chance that you know better?
Oh my, what a weakened Ulic! I guess that's why he needed three strong Jedi, one with a cyborg arm to hold him down just moments earlier. I guess that's why he's well enough to start sexing up Aleema Keto for what must be the seventh time that day.
Revan on the otherhand defeated an empowered Malak. A figure that the entire Jedi council feared taking on.
Proved wrong by Glentract. Good job lying.
These weren't just wannabe Sith. Sion isn't seen controlling the star forge in KOTOR 2. Sion is by no means a weak. He is arguably one of the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars history. You are downplaying Malak's accomplishments.
Sion is also barely a Sith. Revan's so-called "Sith empire" was made up of a bunch of ex-Jedi who knew precisely dick about the real Sith culture and zilch about Sith Magic. Sion is nowhere near among the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars. You are a KOTOR fanboy, plain and simple.
Not anyone can just control it though . Malak could, but in Bastila's holocron, many other Sith Lords' of the time were either destroyed or too afraid to use it because they feared being destroyed. The only reason his dark Jedi were being empowered is because Malak had strength enough to control the Forge.
So what? Again, you cannot quantify exactly how powerful one had to be to control it. Indeed, you merely assume one has to be sufficiently powerful to do so even though there's not a shred of proof for it. It's just as likely there are other prerequisites.
Exar Kun was just shortly before the people in KOTOR. The guy on the space station in KOTOR said so. She was referring to Exar as well.
Proven wrong by Glentract, again, but note again:
She references the people of the time using words like "we" and "us."
Since Exar Kun is not alive, she cannot possibly be referring to him, especially since there's no proof that she's ever seen him.
The entire Council feared him? BS! This is an outright lie as Kavar faced him ALONE and almost won.
Oh yea, thats why he was forced to RETREAT. 🙄 Kavar tried to take Malak down but got his ass whip lashed and was forced to flee, humiliated and outmatched. Thats what I call "almost won" 🙄
The order probably took Malak "a lot more seriously" after that one. That's why they sent Revan after him, because they knew it was impossible for them alone to defeat Malak.
For all we know Malak has a Rakata gene in him and that was what allowed him to control it.
Glentract, you are accusing me of posting BS when you pull out this Come on man, how can Malak possibly have Rakatan genes in him? There is no proof for this.
BTW, the SF had been destroyed by then
That still doesn't explain why Sion could not control it before KOTOR 2 and become the strong leader that Revan was.
It was a full 40 years. I wouldn't call that, "just shortly before"
What am I supposed to say to this point. That it is? So you can argue it isn't again. 40 years is not that much of a difference. Exar would be included in the group of people that Kreia referred to when she said "we"
Originally posted by zephiel7
Oh yea, thats why he was forced to RETREAT. 🙄 Kavar tried to take Malak down but got his ass whip lashed and was forced to flee, humiliated and outmatched. Thats what I call "almost won" 🙄The order probably took Malak "a lot more seriously" after that one. That's why they sent Revan after him, because they knew it was impossible for them alone to defeat Malak.
You have no proof that it wasn't a very close fight. I've seen well backed theories that state that Kavar was the one who loped off Malak's jaw. Even still, that's only one out of 12, 2 of which outranked Kavar. Your statement was a lie no matter how you look at it.
Originally posted by zephiel7
Glentract, you are accusing me of posting BS when you pull out this Come on man, how can Malak possibly have Rakatan genes in him? There is no proof for this.
Notice the, "for all we know". My point was that we don't know for sure that it was an individual's level of power that allowed them to control the SF. If Malak told that to the people below him, it'd sure be a good way to keep them in line.
Originally posted by zephiel7
That still doesn't explain why Sion could not control it before KOTOR 2 and become the strong leader that Revan was.
When did Sion ever try to control it before then? Proof please.
Originally posted by zephiel7
What am I supposed to say to this point. That it is? So you can argue it isn't again. 40 years is not that much of a difference. Exar would be included in the group of people that Kreia referred to when she said "we"
Excuse me? 40 years is a huge difference. The Order was ten times less martial then it had been in Exar's time. As you don't know that Exar and Kreia ever met, then how can you prove that she was referring to a group that included Exar?
