Originally posted by Wesker
Oh, no... not Wiki.... the [b]encyclopedia anyone can edit!Nice source, fanboy. [/B]
Umm... Your the one who told me about this site in the first place for info. And by the way, try to keep Ragnos out of this. i know i brought him in this thread, but i'm trying to keep from talking about him, for it's not about him.
By the way, Why do you call me Fanboy? Because I don't agree with you? Or because You don't think That I'm listening to your "evidence"? Your not going to agree with me, but i'm not a Jaden Korr fanboy. If i'm a fanboy of anyone, it's Kyle Katarn, and somewhat Darth Vader.
You seem to be missing the point- Wiki itself isn't the reliable source for exact quotes and measures. It can be edited by anyone, and can reflect personal bias. Go look at Sidious' page- it calls him the "greatest darkest most powerful evil of all time plus one thousand" just about. Wiki pages are generally hyperbole-laden and unreliable for any in-depth analysis. Period.
Secondly, you are coming across -strongly- as a fanboy. Saying that Jaden beating a weakened body possessed by a 5000 year old spirit = the real Ragnos is foolish.
No she wasn't... That page doesn't call her a padawan either, it confirms however that she was trying to become a Master, and believed that she was going through the tests to become a master. Except for one quote, thats been contradicted by other quotes from other people you have nothing to prove she was a padawan. Yet we do have a few things.
1.) Bastila her word, which I would rank higher then Zhars because we are talking about her.
2.) The fact that she went out without a master during Kotor, no Padawan would have done that, of course you could explain that by saying it would be a dead give away...
3.) She went out without a master before the start of Kotor, she did nto have a master on the Endar Spire, nobody not even Bastila ever talks about her master, and seeing how she talks about her mother and father she would have talked about her death master as well.
4.) She has created her own lightsaber and knew the Jedi Code, two of the 3 tests needed to become a knight. Now the third test, for Revan it was to turn Juhani back to the light side or kill her. Bastila has saved Revan his live, survived the Endar Spire escaped Taris far more impressive. It would be incredibly hard to believe that she did not pass the third trial as well.
5.) quotes by other people that call her a knight, but I won't go into that at this time, seeing as i'm throwing away your quote as evidence.
Originally posted by Fishy
No she wasn't... That page doesn't call her a padawan either, it confirms however that she was trying to become a Master, and believed that she was going through the tests to become a master. Except for one quote, thats been contradicted by other quotes from other people you have nothing to prove she was a padawan. Yet we do have a few things.1.) Bastila her word, which I would rank higher then Zhars because we are talking about her.
2.) The fact that she went out without a master during Kotor, no Padawan would have done that, of course you could explain that by saying it would be a dead give away...
3.) She went out without a master before the start of Kotor, she did nto have a master on the Endar Spire, nobody not even Bastila ever talks about her master, and seeing how she talks about her mother and father she would have talked about her death master as well.
4.) She has created her own lightsaber and knew the Jedi Code, two of the 3 tests needed to become a knight. Now the third test, for Revan it was to turn Juhani back to the light side or kill her. Bastila has saved Revan his live, survived the Endar Spire escaped Taris far more impressive. It would be incredibly hard to believe that she did not pass the third trial as well.
5.) quotes by other people that call her a knight, but I won't go into that at this time, seeing as i'm throwing away your quote as evidence.
Excellent points, Fishy.
Originally posted by Fishy
No she wasn't... That page doesn't call her a padawan either, it confirms however that she was trying to become a Master, and believed that she was going through the tests to become a master. Except for one quote, thats been contradicted by other quotes from other people you have nothing to prove she was a padawan. Yet we do have a few things.1.) Bastila her word, which I would rank higher then Zhars because we are talking about her.
2.) The fact that she went out without a master during Kotor, no Padawan would have done that, of course you could explain that by saying it would be a dead give away...
3.) She went out without a master before the start of Kotor, she did nto have a master on the Endar Spire, nobody not even Bastila ever talks about her master, and seeing how she talks about her mother and father she would have talked about her death master as well.
4.) She has created her own lightsaber and knew the Jedi Code, two of the 3 tests needed to become a knight. Now the third test, for Revan it was to turn Juhani back to the light side or kill her. Bastila has saved Revan his live, survived the Endar Spire escaped Taris far more impressive. It would be incredibly hard to believe that she did not pass the third trial as well.
5.) quotes by other people that call her a knight, but I won't go into that at this time, seeing as i'm throwing away your quote as evidence.
Can you Re-Write the first one.
Revan Went without a fully fledged master as well.
During the clone wars, Anakin often seperated from Obi-Wan as a padawan to fight on different battlefeilds. (Although whether she was a padawan or a knight, it is strange she never spoke of her personal instructor, only her Masters-not master.)
creating your lightsaber is something you must do to become a padawan, as seen in KOTOR, and shown seeing the younglings training with Yoda In Ep. II.
Quotes by other people calling her a knight is about as valueable Dog Crap.
Bastila calls herself a knight. I would rank her word as more important then the word of Zhar. Afterall nobody would know better then her.
Revan is a special case to say the least.
Her master is of no importance, the masters she speaks of are members of the council.
Those quotes you call dog crap created your entire argument... Show prove she is a padawan when only one person says it and its contradicted by far more people.
Originally posted by Xepeyon
Tell you what, If I can find Offical proof, and show it to you proving bastila is a padawan, You drop the "Bastila is a knight" crap. I would play the game again, but if I told you something that you didn't want to hear, you'd say i was lying.
find prove and I will accept it, until that time she's a knight.
"Take the Padawan."
"I though they were testing me, to see if I could become a master."
Face it, Vandar tells her to take "the padawan." to the ruins. It'd be a rather innapropriate thing to say if she was a padawan too.
Also, she thinks that the masters were testing her, to see if she was good enough to be a master. As Fishy said before, the Jedi don't skip from Padawan to Master.