I sure hope so. Especially Anakin's Tusken slaughter ... that has been really edited down in the film, and I can understand the rationale ... difficult to sell to many miniature figures of a guy shown to kill women and children ... and the censorship issues ... it wouldn't have got a PG-13 rating. But, for the DVD, I hope they include an uncut version of that scene. It's essential to the storyline.
Well, the by-some-untrusted-producer of SW also said most of the four hours will probably be on the DVD. So I'm looking forward to that.
I was wondering though... would there be so much additional footage of the OT?
Sometimes I get the feeling the OT was much better thought out in advance and they cut only minor storylines. With the PT I get the feeling GL wants to tell too much and is trying to find some balance in everything he wants to tell. I was watching ESB last night and it struck how well everything works and how well it is paced. I still find that missing in the PT so far.
" Sometimes I get the feeling the OT was much better thought out in advance and they cut only minor storylines. With the PT I get the feeling GL wants to tell too much and is trying to find some balance in everything he wants to tell. I was watching ESB last night and it struck how well everything works and how well it is paced. I still find that missing in the PT so far. "
Couldn't agree more with you queeq. The flow of the storyline in all the OT movies was seamless. That's not happening as well with the PT. In fact, for me, this is more so for AOTC, than TPM ... inspite of all the criticism levelled on it, TPM, for me was a really good movie in that respect.
The problem with the PT movies is, Lucas is dealing on a much larger canvas, a much larger scale ... and 2 hours 20 minutes, just isn't enough time to get everything in ... the problem with trying to tell too much, in too little time is ... it just becomes cluttered and there is too much information for the audience to imbibe. At the scale that Lucas is now telling the story, the movies would have to be of truly epic length, like Lawrence of Arabia, or Dr.Zhivago etc.
It's still a really cool movie ... that's why I saw it 4 times. But it's these small things ( cluttered flow of the storyline, dragging the love story part, cutting some scenes that provide that different colour etc.etc. ) that make the difference between a really good fun movie, and a spectacular motion picture, that people will see over and over again with pleasure even 20 years after it was made ... or even 40 ... or the difference between 300 million dollars at the BO or 350 .....
For that matter by the end of my life I will have watched TPM many more times than AOTC ....
I think more than removing plotlines, it's more about trying to integrate them more harmoniously, so they complement each other, and the storyline as a whole flows more seamlessly ... so that instead of a clutter of too many things happening too fast, and too much information to process being handed out in too short a time, it becomes like a logical progression from one thing to the next, and the different storylines getting told in such a process so naturally, that one doesnt even realize that 3/4 different story arcs have just taken place.
It would involve doing something more than just simplistically using wipes to flit between three different concurrent storylines.
Well master harmax
i would have to argue your idea of the deleted scenes that had to be on AOTC.
1) "dont talk back" ---- we had enough of dont talk back on the movie why more????? it would get a bit annoying
2)"jocasta nu´s the lost 20" & " explaining lost 20"---i´d sit on the side of ush, i kinda liked they didn´t explain all that. i like misteries.
3) "more remorse"---well i liked the edition i watched, what else did u want?
4)"padme wants obi" & "join me amidala"---- i also liked that padme and anakin didn´t meet dooku, those scenes i never liked completely, and we already had "join me, obiwan" line which i liked a lot more. and we dont want "join me" lines to become clichés
5)"dooku uses 2 sabres" -- this could´ve been great i agree.
6) "anakin hurts dooku"--- this is the only scene i surely would´ve liked, i wanted anakin to show some bad ass attitude with the light sabres.
7) "bar bouncer"---totally useless scene, i dont find any purpose. we already have the "this weapon is your life" lesson at that point, more lessons become annoying for audiences.
8)"just another day at office"---it sounded great on scrpit, but on the movie it is useless, how can they decide which creature attack? if they are tied to columns and each creature is deciding for them selves, well, and thanx to the picadores.
9)"end for you dooku"--- this could´ve be too much for general audiences, the way they edited i liked, its too much cliche when the bad guy escapes two seconds away from their death.
and i think everybody got the picture well that yoda IS the master.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
On the idea that we all broadly agree that the PT is a bit crammed, which of the major plotlines do you think would have been best removed?
Maybe it's not so much a problem of removing plotlines.... maybe it's just a matter of dosage HOW you tell it. I've argued before that I find ESB 'feels' much more romantic than AOTC, but it has a lot less romantic air time. It's just much more effecrtive and feels more genuine. I sometimes feel GL has difficulty finding balancing in stressing what bits of the story require more time and what bits can be done with less time.
I spoke with my brother briefly about it. We don't see each other often and he's not really a SW fan, but he's always liked it. And he found the first half of AOTC "too much talk". I was a bit surprised about that remark, but thinking about it a bit I do feel he has a point? Not that talking is bad, but there is the problem with both TPM and AOTC that hal;fway the movie you're still wondering what it's all about. Now THAT was never a problem in the OT, it was always very clear:
1. ANH: Princess captured, heroes go and save her and help rebellion that way
2. ESB: Empire retaliates big time on rebels as heroe Luke is becoming mighty foe of evil Empire
3. ROTJ: rebels and Luke win the day...
Now try doing that with the PT...
1) TPM: Queen captured, heroes go and save her and her planet, and help the Senate that way
2) AOTC: A Clone army is made without anyone knowing except the makers, they go to war, and people talk a lot.
3) Ep. III: We don't know yet because GL hasn't revealed anything except that we all know that Vader is the new Sith on the block.
I thought it would be cool if Dooku fought with two sabers. That would have been cool kept in.
McCallum says 4 hours?! He's prone to being a bit of a liar, but there is nothing "spoilerific" about deleted scenes. I think there might be around a few hours. They did have a lot of stuff not shown in the movie.
Actually Rex, that does NOT work. That is what the MOVIE turns out to be about, it's not always clear in the film that it is indeed about THAT. THose things develop in due course of the film and you know by the end.
Here's what we know from the beginning of the PT's so far:
1. Trade confllict, Jedi come in to solve it.
(But the movie is more also finding a boy of a Jedi prophecy, an evil Sith lord manipulating people, Queen fighting back, Palpy rises slowly to power)
2. Republic is in danger, a separatist movement is trying to take over with renegade Jedi Dooku, Jedi must protect Amidala
(But the movie is more about how Palpy uses a bounty hunter to create a clone army which is to be the republic army, at the same time he pulls the strings in the separatist movement to destroy all power structures in the republic and to rise to more power, and also about Anakin falling in love and slowly falling to the Dark Side)
This is a big difference.