Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 2, Fight 3- roughrider vs. stormfront13

Started by King_Mungi13 pages

Here is the fixed bios:

AoA Aurora
1. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1490

Mimic
1. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1758

Vindicator II [Geothermal]
1. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1113

Phantazia
1. http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=330

Originally posted by roughrider
Like I said - she's in the air, not on the ground. Your scan shows this.
Here's another site that says Aurora is still at only Mach 1 currently.

http://www.alphaflight.net/character_overviews/aurora/

Nope, she isn't mach 1 anymore. She is back to her full speed potential since AF #85, and then later got experimented on by Weapon X

Edit: Remember that is 616 Aurora, the one battling is AoA. We don't know if she had the same experiment that lowered her speed potential temporally.

Thanks, Mungi.
Still - they give no definite listing for what speed AOA Aurora is capable of.

Originally posted by roughrider
Like I said - she's in the air, not on the ground. Your scan shows this.
Here's another site that says Aurora is still at only Mach 1 currently.

http://www.alphaflight.net/character_overviews/aurora/

yeah...um...why would it matter what speed 616 can now use 😕 i don't have 616, i have AOA

Originally posted by roughrider
Thanks, Mungi.
Still - they give no definite listing for what speed AOA Aurora is capable of.

and that's why it was decided during drafting that AOA would be going around mach 10, which was the speed cap

We don't know what speed AOA Aurora is capable of, so we just said she can reach Mach 10, because that is the cap? 🤨

Something ain't kosher here.

Anyway, the AOA bio explicity states her power of reaching great speed is through the air; not running on the ground. The lack of space here is a hinderence for her and Mimic to cut loose. Also, her power does not include reflexes on a Quicksilver-like level. Thialfi's reflexes are near instantaneous. Mimic won't react, and blast as fast as Stormfront claims he can.

Originally posted by roughrider
We don't know what speed AOA Aurora is capable of, so we just said she can reach Mach 10, because that is the cap? 🤨

Something ain't kosher here.

yeah, because she could be capable of reaching that speed. when we did the drafting we went by the speed of 616 aurora, which at the time was around mach 10 with all the enhancements and downgrades, it wasn't until recently that she gained all her potential back.

Anyway, the AOA bio explicity states her power of reaching great speed is through the air; not running on the ground.

yeah, the bio of northstar also states in the air, but he has reached escape velocity or something like that on foot.

The lack of space here is a hindrance for her and Mimic to cut loose.

this isn't a hindrance, both are capable of flying or running in enclosed spaces, besides they are flying their top speed only once, and that is at the beginning of the fight.

Also, her power does not include reflexes on a Quicksilver-like level.

yeah, superhuman reaction time and reflexes generally mean reaction faster than everyone else, and considering that AOA aurora and quicksilver are at the same speed, then yeah i do have the reflexes

Thialfi's reflexes are near instantaneous.

yeah, and so are both mimics and auroras, except that are instantaneous, not near. look, mimic is faster, and reacts faster. he just rushes thiafli and cuts him with his above class 50 strength, that is definitely enough to take him out of the fight.

Mimic won't react, and blast as fast as Stormfront claims he can

yeah he will. thiafli just isn't a strong character, i'm sorry but he just doesn't cut it when it comes to everyone else. .

I remember a panel of Alpha Flight during Byrne's original run, when Northstar is grabbed by an angry Sasquatch. An editor's note was under the panel, stating that Northstar near-lightspeed cabability does not extend to his reaction time. Hence, his reflexes are not as superhumanly fast. Aurora is supposed to share the same speed of her brother, so has the same reaction time.
I have ratings in my Thialfi bio that show his reflexes at 6/7 - which means virtually instantaneous in the Marvel handbook. Show me a stat that proves AOA Aurora has near-instant reflexes, and by association, Exiles Mimic. You haven't proved it yet.

Originally posted by roughrider
I remember a panel of Alpha Flight during Byrne's original run, when Northstar is grabbed by an angry Sasquatch. An editor's note was under the panel, stating that Northstar near-lightspeed cabability does not extend to his reaction time. Hence, his reflexes are not as superhumanly fast. Aurora is supposed to share the same speed of her brother, so has the same reaction time.

Actually it was stated countless time he does have hightened reflexes. Since he travels mach speeds throughout towns, it's impossible to do the things he does without super reflexes. Hell, even the handbook entries state he has super reflexes.

1. http://www.unfluffybunny.com/cripp12/M-N/tf_Northstarback.jpg

For someone with supposed instantaneous reaction time, Northstar doesn't seem to have it against Logan.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/...rthstar19au.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/...rthstar24zq.jpg

Panels didn't upload. I will try again later.

Originally posted by roughrider
For someone with supposed instantaneous reaction time, Northstar doesn't seem to have it against Logan.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/...rthstar19au.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/...rthstar24zq.jpg

Your images don't work, and everyone agrees that Wolverine killing Northstar was PIS. Since Northstar easily manhandled Sabertooth with ease.

Edit: Even the scan of Aurora blazing through that apartment at top speed checking every individual room in seconds, tells you right there she has insane reflexes.

Originally posted by roughrider
I remember a panel of Alpha Flight during Byrne's original run, when Northstar is grabbed by an angry Sasquatch. An editor's note was under the panel, stating that Northstar near-lightspeed cabability does not extend to his reaction time. Hence, his reflexes are not as superhumanly fast. Aurora is supposed to share the same speed of her brother, so has the same reaction time.
I have ratings in my Thialfi bio that show his reflexes at 6/7 - which means virtually instantaneous in the Marvel handbook. Show me a stat that proves AOA Aurora has near-instant reflexes, and by association, Exiles Mimic. You haven't proved it yet.

well considering you love bios so much, then aurora does have superhuman reflexes and reaction time. northstar and aurora do not have the same powers, show a scan of northstar speeding up the molecules in an object, show a scan of him shooting lightning. you can't, because he can't, due to the experiments put on aurora they have different powers, and besides, your referring to 616 aurora. they also don't have the same speed, aurora was slower than northstar for a very long time. considering thiafli was killed by a wolf, it doesn't seem like he has instantaneous reflexes. and you do realize the stat format comes from a game right? in AOA Apocalypse, or beast states that northstar and aurora are they fastest people they know, and that was why they were prelates, and in a different issue, there is a paragraph that states that aurora has superhuman speed with reaction time and reflexes to match that speed. though i can't provide an issue number and you can't provide any comic instances where thiafli has shown to have superhuman reaction time. all you have is a bio that has the same bio format as a marvel game. if we are both going by bios then we both have superhuman reaction time and reflexes. if we are going by comic appearances, well you were surprised by a wolf, and it states that aurora has superhuman reaction time.

Where does it state in your AOA Aurora bio, that she has superhuman reaction time?

And chill out over there. I can feel the heat coming through my screen. I know you came into this with a cocky air, drowning other people in message responses before, but still...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Your images don't work, and everyone agrees that Wolverine killing Northstar was PIS. Since Northstar easily manhandled Sabertooth with ease.

Edit: Even the scan of Aurora blazing through that apartment at top speed checking every individual room in seconds, tells you right there she has insane reflexes.

He manhandled Sabretooth by grabbing him from behind, and flying him into one tree trunk after another.

Originally posted by roughrider
He manhandled Sabretooth by grabbing him from behind, and flying him into one tree trunk after another.

Uh huh, he did it instantly and Sabertooth didn't know what was going on. Trust me he/she does have superhuman reflexes. However, I'm not saying anymore it's up to Stormfront to convince you.

Suprising someone from behind shows instantaneous reflexes? 🙄

Originally posted by roughrider
Suprising someone from behind shows instantaneous reflexes? 🙄

Do you really want me to post 100 scans showing Northstar/Aurora have heightened reflexes as well as various bios that state they do?

Edit: Here Northstar is running speeds over Mach 18.7 [2.5 km/sec], while dodging cars and buildings
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Fanfare_28_03.jpg

Originally posted by roughrider
Where does it state in your AOA Aurora bio, that she has superhuman reaction time?

it does in the AOA comics, and if i remember correctly it states it in the alternate universe handbook. also, it's common sence that she has superhuman reaction time, or else how would she fly at such speeds.

And chill out over there. I can feel the heat coming through my screen. I know you came into this with a cocky air, drowning other people in message responses before, but still..

i'm not mad, your just trying to make thiafli seem great, and the fact is that he isn't. he was killed by a wolf, doesn't have a lot of expierence, and isn't even a true asgardian. he's a mrotal granted powers. and your also using a bio that takes stats from ammarvel role-playing game. hardly proof.